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    • MSE Andrea
    • By MSE Andrea 8th May 15, 11:26 AM
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    Debt and Mental Health - How have your debts affected you?
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    • 8th May 15, 11:26 AM
    Debt and Mental Health - How have your debts affected you? 8th May 15 at 11:26 AM
    Hi everyone,

    As part of Mental Health Awareness Week 2015 next week (11-17 May), we’re supporting Stepchange Debt Charity and the Mental Health Foundation (MHF) in highlighting how debt can play a large part in mental health issues.

    We have a free Mental Health and Debt guide available for anyone to download so if you're struggling please do take a look!

    Has being in debt caused you stress and anxiety?

    We're launching a poll to see how many of you have had mental health issues. We've kept responses private so other forum users won't see who's voted in the poll. If you'd like to reply below and discuss that would be great but don't feel you have to.

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    • charmed1318
    • By charmed1318 18th Aug 17, 1:19 PM
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    charmed1318
    I feel for all these sorties, I I guess in a way I have been lucky.
    I am 29 now.
    Diagnosed at 16 with depression.
    Diagnosed a 25 with cyclothymia.
    Been in debt (it seems like forever)
    I have never doubted any of the money I owe, but have been paying £1-£5 a month to them. They will get paid it will just take time.

    I am also very lucky I can now talk to my mum, though she doesn't know the amount.
    I do think there needs to be stringent which to be applied to some, if not all lending. Although due the DPA, unless we say something , it will not help.

    I think the main problem can start at about 19-21, that was when I got a £2000 loan and a credit card. Yet my lil brother who is 25, hasn't had core.any kind of credit = no credit score.

    Anyway, long story short there should be more accessible help.


    • HairyHandofDartmoor
    • By HairyHandofDartmoor 3rd Sep 17, 12:38 PM
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    HairyHandofDartmoor
    Ive been in debt since I was offered my first credit card when I was 18. I didn't understand that it was a debt card and not a credit card. I gave in to the overwhelming temptation to buy some of the things I'd always wanted. I had no idea of how hard it would be to pay it all back once interest had been added.

    When I left college I was offered a graduate overdraft, which I foolishly accepted. When I still hadn't managed to get a job after 6 months I began to get pressure to pay it back, even though I was on unemployment benefit. I managed to find a job eventually, but never earnt enough to get free of the debts. It was always a worry at the back of my mind but I coped and had an excellent credit reputation. As a result I kept getting offered more credit.

    When the recession hit in 2008 I struggled to make my monthly repayments and pay my living expenses. I become very stressed and depressed. At one point my OH and I were paying £1000 a month in interest alone! We were were working like slaves but never had anything to show for it. I was prescribed anti depressants by my doctor and told that he had seen many people recently due to money worries .

    I am 53 now and soon to become debt free . The relief is overwhelming and only now do I realise what a black cloud my OH and I been living under for so many years. I never want another credit card or loan ever again. I intend to save up and pay for things the old fashioned way. Credit is a trap that I and many others have fallen into and it's very hard to get free when the whole system seems designed to keep you in debt. I wish that when I was 19 I had known what I know now .
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    • beebrook
    • By beebrook 14th Sep 17, 1:49 PM
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    From my experience, debt and mental health are intrinsically linked. They feed each-other.

    Being depressed and having anxiety disorders like I've had can make it difficult; to budget, to hold-back from overspending, and stop yourself from doing impulsive things (like taking out payday loans).

    Being 19 and in so much debt (more specifically, bad, unmanageable debt) has only made these mental health problems worse. They'd make anyone stressed, worried, and perhaps even depressed. I know first-hand that facing up to a debt problem can shatter your self esteem too. It's like facing up to your own flaws as a person.

    In other words, poor mental health can put you in debt, and debt can cause mental health problems.

    My advice to anyone else with debt and/or mental health issues is this: read through the DFW forum.

    You'll then realise that you're not alone. There's a way out (one way or another) and being in debt isn't a reflection on you as a person. It just means you're in a bad situation. Even if you're partly to blame, sub-prime loans, high interest credit cards and consolidation loans really shouldn't exist in the first place.
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    • mudgekin
    • By mudgekin 9th Oct 17, 12:37 AM
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    mudgekin
    Hi

    Iím not in debt yet but Iíve been battling a severe depression and anxiety now for about 6 years.
    When I start to feel my anxiety rising Iíve been buying, then I regret it then I feel worse. Iíve got a house full of craft stuff and the strange thing is that my ďstuffĒ can settle me down sometimes.

    I really donít know what way to turn really. Iíve recently had a course of counseling with a psychologist who was dealing with a stuck bereavement issue and unfortunately thatís all she was dealing with. Iíve seen a psychiatrist, a dreadful man whoís dismissive manner towards me made me feel worse about myself. Heíd happily talk to DH but barely spoke to me and when he did he was so condescending.

    I canít sell my stuff Iíve crafted as Iím just not good enough. When you have to complete with the Etsy talent or on eBay the cheap Chinese stuff making money from crafting is just not the way to go. Iím also physically disabled now so I can do stuff on days I feel physically or mentally ok.

    Iím just really worried that my spending is going to quickly tear through what savings we have left. I think in 3 tears Iíve spent the best part of 20k and Iím so ashamed. Iíve spent all the lump sum I got from my pensions from being medically retired from word.

    Quite honestly. I despise myself.
    Iíve no idea why Iíve even posted but mental health definitely affects spending. When I wS well I was frugal and careful and was able to save a nice nest egg but thatís gone now. I really am scared I go through the bit thatís left which will be needed if we manage to get a social house.
    • beebrook
    • By beebrook 9th Oct 17, 4:46 PM
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    beebrook
    Hi

    Iím not in debt yet but Iíve been battling a severe depression and anxiety now for about 6 years.
    When I start to feel my anxiety rising Iíve been buying, then I regret it then I feel worse. Iíve got a house full of craft stuff and the strange thing is that my ďstuffĒ can settle me down sometimes.

    I really donít know what way to turn really. Iíve recently had a course of counseling with a psychologist who was dealing with a stuck bereavement issue and unfortunately thatís all she was dealing with. Iíve seen a psychiatrist, a dreadful man whoís dismissive manner towards me made me feel worse about myself. Heíd happily talk to DH but barely spoke to me and when he did he was so condescending.

    I canít sell my stuff Iíve crafted as Iím just not good enough. When you have to complete with the Etsy talent or on eBay the cheap Chinese stuff making money from crafting is just not the way to go. Iím also physically disabled now so I can do stuff on days I feel physically or mentally ok.

    Iím just really worried that my spending is going to quickly tear through what savings we have left. I think in 3 tears Iíve spent the best part of 20k and Iím so ashamed. Iíve spent all the lump sum I got from my pensions from being medically retired from word.

    Quite honestly. I despise myself.
    Iíve no idea why Iíve even posted but mental health definitely affects spending. When I wS well I was frugal and careful and was able to save a nice nest egg but thatís gone now. I really am scared I go through the bit thatís left which will be needed if we manage to get a social house.
    Originally posted by mudgekin
    We all have our different personal struggles. There are lots of different ways of dealing with those but I can suggest reaching out to others going through similar experiences. That's what helped me the most.

    Why is all this relevant to the MSE DFW board? Well, the take-away message is that mental health and overspending feed eachother - and it's one of the most vicious circles out there.
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    • sirius60
    • By sirius60 18th Oct 17, 8:16 AM
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    Supporting family member
    I'm not struggleing with debt because of mental health issues but I am trying to support a family member who is.
    She has had mental health issues for a number of years, and throughout that time must have got bits of credit, paid it for a while then fell behind when things got difficult.
    For the last couple of years she has received demanding letters from Lowells and numerous other companies but was never taken to court. However recently several of them have taken her to court and court has made an order that she has to pay £50 on a debt for £500 and £40 on a debt for £300. She can hardly afford to live on the money she has, every week I am lending her money for gas or electric, kids bus passes or shopping.
    She has no idea what these debts are in relation to, she throws letters away because she can't cope with the stress but from the odd time I've managed to see them before they get binned, it looks like some are for very similar amounts of money but from different debt companies. When I try to encourage her to do something she gets more stressed and then will avoid me!
    I recently introduced the idea of step change which she took on board but as soon as I took over the budget sheet for her to fill in she fobbed me off and now gets annoyed it I try to talk about it.
    I know that if we don't sort this out the next thing will be baliffs at the door and I am scared of the impact of that on her mental health. There are other issues as well as the debt and if it was just her to worry about it would be difficult enough but there are children too.
    I am just completely stuck I can't just get on and do it without her I need her to get involved but the thought of it just sends her spiralling down .
    • phillw
    • By phillw 9th Nov 17, 9:06 PM
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    Credit is a trap that I and many others have fallen into and it's very hard to get free when the whole system seems designed to keep you in debt. I wish that when I was 19 I had known what I know now .
    Originally posted by HairyHandofDartmoor
    I certainly think there should be lessons on the national curriculum about eating, drinking & spending responsibly. With an exam & league tables (which maybe also take into account ex pupils health and wealth).

    It is really hard to be successful without borrowing money at some point these days.

    I am just completely stuck I can't just get on and do it without her I need her to get involved but the thought of it just sends her spiralling down .
    Originally posted by sirius60
    The next time she seems to be amenable to dealing with it, don't try to get it done as quickly as possible before she changes her mind because it will just instantly overwhelm her. Instead talk to her about how she feels about the debt, talk about what it means to her etc. Don't point out that if she doesn't deal with it that it will become a huge problem (even though we all know it will).

    Sometimes by caring, you become part of the problem. If she feels supported by you then eventually she might be able to deal with it.

    When I start to feel my anxiety rising Iíve been buying, then I regret it then I feel worse. Iíve got a house full of craft stuff and the strange thing is that my ďstuffĒ can settle me down sometimes.
    Originally posted by mudgekin
    This isn't strange, this is quite normal (as far as normal goes). It's just not healthy. Like the cakes/biscuits/sweets that makes you feel good but give you diabetes. You need to find healthy ways to settle yourself down.

    I really donít know what way to turn really. Iíve recently had a course of counseling with a psychologist who was dealing with a stuck bereavement issue and unfortunately thatís all she was dealing with. Iíve seen a psychiatrist, a dreadful man whoís dismissive manner towards me made me feel worse about myself. Heíd happily talk to DH but barely spoke to me and when he did he was so condescending.
    Originally posted by mudgekin
    Have you tried a 12 step programme? There are probably others but a google search came up with http://debtorsanonymous.org.uk/, sometimes talking to other people who have the same issues can really help. Talking to professionals who have a degree and whose only experience is on the other side of the table doesn't always help.

    Even if you don't believe in god (all 12 step programmes seem to be about handing your will over to the god of your understanding) then spending time with and talking to people going through the same thing as you can help.

    I canít sell my stuff Iíve crafted as Iím just not good enough. When you have to complete with the Etsy talent or on eBay the cheap Chinese stuff making money from crafting is just not the way to go. Iím also physically disabled now so I can do stuff on days I feel physically or mentally ok.
    Originally posted by mudgekin
    When you're not feeling good then it's easy to pin your hopes on a dream, having the clarity of mind that you're not good enough is a positive. Some people will patronise you and say you should just keep your hopes up, I'd just say keep doing the craft stuff if it makes you happy but don't worry if it's no good and you can't sell it. A lot of successful artists have doubts about their abilities, as do a lot of unsuccessful artists.

    Maybe write a blog about your journey and show off what you've made, maybe you can make money from that if you get enough visitors or maybe that will be something you do and moved on from because you didn't get what you needed from it.

    If you have a large amount of craft materials, then you could just sell those at a local craft fair or maybe start a community craft group & advertise it with charities like mind as they are always looking for groups to refer people to.

    The important thing is to not overload yourself and also do not think that something will miraculously save you, so don't try to spend a lot of money to achieve something because your judgement is skewed.

    Iím just really worried that my spending is going to quickly tear through what savings we have left. I think in 3 tears Iíve spent the best part of 20k and Iím so ashamed. Iíve spent all the lump sum I got from my pensions from being medically retired from word.

    Quite honestly. I despise myself.
    Originally posted by mudgekin
    Forgive yourself, you're entitled to make mistakes. You absolutely have to do that, but then try to learn from your mistakes. You can't change the past so don't dwell on it, but if you want to change how you deal with things in the future then it's certainly possible.

    Iíve no idea why Iíve even posted but mental health definitely affects spending. When I wS well I was frugal and careful and was able to save a nice nest egg but thatís gone now. I really am scared I go through the bit thatís left which will be needed if we manage to get a social house.
    Originally posted by mudgekin
    Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards getting better. Put some boundaries in place, like you won't buy anything when you don't feel well, then it will stop shame spirals from dragging you down further. 12 step programmes are a good way of keeping you honest, but talking to family is also good.

    I've had my own issues and am storing boxes of things that I need to somehow recover money from, so I do understand. It does get easier.
    Last edited by phillw; 09-11-2017 at 9:56 PM.
    • AlwaysOnTheGo
    • By AlwaysOnTheGo 21st Nov 17, 2:38 PM
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    Climbing Out
    Last year a little money came my way, just enough to pay off a credit card have some essential repair work carried out on the house and decorate a few rooms myself. No splurges on clothes, cars or holidays. I noticed once the money hit my account I felt lighter than I have in years. Debt and the stress caused by the constant struggling to make ends meet really has ruined aspects of my life and taken a toll on my face over the years.
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    • Stanley_Ipkiss
    • By Stanley_Ipkiss 23rd Nov 17, 2:06 AM
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    Hi, I’m knew to the forum so go easy please.

    Basically I have been diagnosed by my doctor that I am suffering from depression. I have been prescribed tablets that are slowly helping.

    Anyway, that main point to this post is basically when I feel at my lowest, I always end up getting payday loans, or unsecured loans. The only thing I can put it down to, and I realise now that it’s daft, is that me having money made me happy, therefore forgetting about my depression.

    Then when it comes to paying these loans back, bang, I’m back feeling lower than a snakes belly.

    Basically I was hoping if there has been anyone else in the same situation and how did you get out of it?

    Many thanks

    Stanley Ipkiss
    • nicwhit87
    • By nicwhit87 27th Nov 17, 4:14 AM
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    nicwhit87
    The amount of debt I am in has left me suicidal, to the point where my job is now at risk.

    I have nothing left to keep me here, no one will help me, all they are offering me is a debt management plan which will make things worse for me in the long run.

    The most frustrating thing is, all I'd need would be a loan with good interest to consolidate the debt and I'd be free within 48 months or so and I can afford the repayments.

    Friends are checking on me every day, but if things don't change in the next few weeks I just won't here anymore. I've already been to mental health professionals, GPs, Counsellors and so on, nothing is helping and no one is offering a resolution.

    My debt situation is only due to having a really tough 8 years where at least once a year I've had to pay large amounts of money out for funerals, broken down cars that costed a fortune to fix but couldn't afford to get a new one. I couldn't bury my mother, no one offered help as I am an only child and even the cheapest funeral costs around £4000.
    • anfieldred
    • By anfieldred 4th Dec 17, 1:57 PM
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    The 2 are definitely linked; yet it's not really acknowledged with the links of Mind etc.: https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/depression/causes/ (not saying because it's not on there that it's not mentioned anywhere - I work in this industry and there's very little out there that ties the two together)

    Ask anyone in debt are they happy, and they might put on a brave face but deep down they're broken. I've had the same issue for years - I've had to change jobs just to keep my head above water paying off debts, and as each one as been paid off and I've had a bit more money every month there's been a considerable improvement in my mood, so much so that others are noticing it too.

    I wish there was more help/support out there especially from the high street banks.
    • MMC87
    • By MMC87 4th Dec 17, 2:43 PM
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    This is such an interesting thread. I feel as though Iím on the verge of mental and physical collapse. Sky high anxiety one minute, the feeling of being punched in the gut constantly....A few weeks ago, I spent a whole day just throwing up. This debt has completely ravaged me.
    • Moonshine14
    • By Moonshine14 17th Dec 17, 6:41 PM
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    I believe itís both ways..stress/depression/anxiety can lead you to overspend and equally overspending can increase depression/anxiety/stress etc. Good luck to anyone going through this.
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