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    • Connie Hayes
    • By Connie Hayes 16th Sep 16, 7:56 AM
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    Energy Bond
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    • 16th Sep 16, 7:56 AM
    Energy Bond 16th Sep 16 at 7:56 AM
    Has anyone taken out the new Energy Bond which they say is backed by the government. It advertises 3-5year bonds for 7% - 9.25%
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    • patientperson
    • By patientperson 16th Sep 16, 8:10 AM
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    Has anyone taken out the new Energy Bond which they say is backed by the government. It advertises 3-5year bonds for 7% - 9.25%
    Originally posted by Connie Hayes
    http://www.ukenergybond.co.uk/

    Copied from Home page.

    Please be aware that Fre Plc is NOT authorised or regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. We do not offer any financial advice in any guise and as such not all of the investment products we offer are covered by the Financial Ombudsman Service or the Financial Services Compensation Scheme
    • bowlhead99
    • By bowlhead99 16th Sep 16, 8:51 AM
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    • 16th Sep 16, 8:51 AM
    Further:

    This opportunity is only suitable for accredited investors (self certified sophisticated or High net worth individuals). All investments carry an element of risk, these risks include capital loss and illiquidity risk due to the absence of a viable secondary market for a particular product. Some investments can experience significant volatility and value fluctuations in a very short space of time, which may present an increased risk of losing your original capital. If you are unsure of these definitions please see the links below.
    http://freplc.co.uk/investor-profile/
    I can qualify as either a sophisticated or HNW investor, but the average UK investor cannot qualify as either. Although, the average person may still be able to get the product because the status is self-certified and you could lie.

    They also say on their home page "Track record from previous bond below".

    Without applying for an information pack, the track record information on that page seems to just be "first dividend successfully paid " and that the RICS valuation went up. No indication that subsequent dividends can or will be paid, or that capital will eventually be returned, or that the company responsible for paying out the capital or interest will still remain in business when it comes to cashing out your bond.

    The footnotes explicitly state
    This is not intended to act as an indication of future performance of any other investment opportunities. Investors may lose all invested capital if the project fails. This promotion is only suitable to accredited UK investors.
    So, even if you are an accredited investor or willing to lie to say that you are, in the knowledge that you have no comeback from any compensation scheme, regulator or ombudsman, you should understand that Investors May Lose All Invested Capital.

    The bond is not at all backed by the government. Where a project successfully launches and becomes government accredited, the government is paying income to an operating business, but that business may or may not be profitable after costs to build it. The bond in which you are investing is simply a loan to the people who are arranging financing of a business. The fact that there is a 'regulated security trustee' able to confirm that your bond certificate exists and knowing whose bond is whose, does not mean the company will be able to afford to pay back the bond.

    So, it's not at all secure. And as stated by the company it is not suitable for, or available to, any investor who can't qualify as an exempt person under relevant Articles of the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Financial Promotions) Order 2005 (“FPO”) by being high net worth or self-cert sophisticated.

    The average person should not get involved with these niche, high risk, no consumer protection opportunities. Investing would usually involve misrepresentation on the part of the investor in terms of their suitability and qualification, and is followed by potential loss of life savings if the project does badly. The government does NOT back you investing in this product.
    • Gadfium
    • By Gadfium 16th Sep 16, 9:13 AM
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    Looks like a typical one-page website "honey-pot" to lure in the unwary. And given that Future Renewables PLC was only incorporated last year, I wouldn't be touching that with a bargepole.
    • bowlhead99
    • By bowlhead99 16th Sep 16, 9:33 AM
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    • 16th Sep 16, 9:33 AM
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    Looks like a typical one-page website "honey-pot" to lure in the unwary. And given that Future Renewables PLC was only incorporated last year, I wouldn't be touching that with a bargepole.
    Originally posted by Gadfium
    b..b..but how can you say you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole when their first investment was really successful ??! It has already allegedly paid one dividend!

    Why shouldn't I just fill out the form for an information pack while making the declaration that "I accept that the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the money or other property invested. I am aware that it is open to me to seek advice from someone who specialises in advising on non-readily realisable securities." , and then go crying to the newspapers when it all goes titsup?

    • Gadfium
    • By Gadfium 16th Sep 16, 9:48 AM
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    • 16th Sep 16, 9:48 AM
    b..b..but how can you say you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole when their first investment was really successful ??! It has already allegedly paid one dividend!

    Why shouldn't I just fill out the form for an information pack while making the declaration that "I accept that the investments to which the promotions will relate may expose me to a significant risk of losing all of the money or other property invested. I am aware that it is open to me to seek advice from someone who specialises in advising on non-readily realisable securities." , and then go crying to the newspapers when it all goes titsup?

    Originally posted by bowlhead99

    • jimjames
    • By jimjames 16th Sep 16, 1:11 PM
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    • 16th Sep 16, 1:11 PM
    Is Energy bond a scam?
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    • 16th Sep 16, 1:11 PM
    Has anyone taken out the new Energy Bond which they say is backed by the government. It advertises 3-5year bonds for 7% - 9.25%
    Originally posted by Connie Hayes
    You've been mislead if you think it is backed by the government. Their site specifically says it is unregulated. The icon might state that income from accredited sites is backed by government but that doesn't mean you have any protection for your money. That means you can lose all your money as other investors have done in similar schemes. As the site says:

    Investors may lose all invested capital if the project fails.
    Investors may lose all invested capital if the project fails.
    Read my signature!
    Last edited by jimjames; 16-09-2016 at 1:16 PM.
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
    • Elijah Bailey
    • By Elijah Bailey 16th Sep 16, 1:37 PM
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    • 16th Sep 16, 1:37 PM
    Connie's Big Mistake
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    Connie,
    You should keep this kind of important financial information to yourself so you can buy all the bonds you can afford and reap all the benefits that you richly deserve.
    • EdGasket
    • By EdGasket 16th Sep 16, 3:17 PM
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    • 16th Sep 16, 3:17 PM
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    Connie,
    You should keep this kind of important financial information to yourself so you can buy all the bonds you can afford and reap all the benefits that you richly deserve.
    Originally posted by Elijah Bailey
    Don't; she might believe you!
    • bigfreddiel
    • By bigfreddiel 16th Sep 16, 4:18 PM
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    Does nobody read the newspapers or news on your tablet/iPhone?

    Doesn't look like it to me, and why not?

    If you had you would have read about Providence Bonds and Secured Energy Bonds - both gone bust, all money gone.

    And why would anyone believe 7% is achievable?

    Well good luck with the Energy Bonds Connie, let us all know what you intend to do. fj
    • simon1965
    • By simon1965 5th May 17, 8:28 AM
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    I was cold called by a gentleman named Aslan Kaplan, upon a quick google search of 'Aslan Kaplan investments' it showed this chap {text removed by MSE Forum Team} definitely alarm bells ringing.
    Last edited by MSE Andrea; 26-06-2017 at 9:18 AM.
    • mailmannz
    • By mailmannz 5th May 17, 11:17 AM
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    I would avoid any industry that relies solely on Government subsidy to stay in business!
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 5th May 17, 5:52 PM
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    I would avoid any industry that relies solely on Government subsidy to stay in business!
    Originally posted by mailmannz
    Banking?....
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 5th May 17, 6:04 PM
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    Has anyone taken out the new Energy Bond which they say is backed by the government. It advertises 3-5year bonds for 7% - 9.25%
    Originally posted by Connie Hayes
    Where does it say it's "backed by the government" (of course it isn't)
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 5th May 17, 6:40 PM
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    I would avoid any industry that relies solely on Government subsidy to stay in business!
    Originally posted by mailmannz
    Banking?....
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 5th May 17, 7:10 PM
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    Banking?....
    Originally posted by bigadaj
    ...that, plus pharmaceuticals, healthcare, transport, communications, manufacturing, agriculture.

    I'm not sure about retail, but think we might just be able to exclude it from the 'avoid' list.

    So what's left of the FTSE100 we can still invest in?
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • AndyT678
    • By AndyT678 6th May 17, 1:29 AM
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    ...that, plus pharmaceuticals, healthcare, transport, communications, manufacturing, agriculture.

    I'm not sure about retail, but think we might just be able to exclude it from the 'avoid' list.

    So what's left of the FTSE100 we can still invest in?
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    Beer and fags obviously. Not much government support there.
    • Zanderman
    • By Zanderman 6th May 17, 8:56 AM
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    This thread is 6 months old!

    Only resurrected (for no obvious reason) by this...

    I was cold called by a gentleman named Aslan Kaplan, upon a quick google search of 'Aslan Kaplan investments' {text removed by MSE Forum Team} definitely alarm bells ringing.
    Originally posted by simon1965
    Last edited by MSE Andrea; 26-06-2017 at 9:18 AM.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 6th May 17, 11:47 AM
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    And meanwhile the OP posted once and hasn't been back

    Maybe they are too busy spending the profit from their investment?

    Or could it be their real surname is Merchant?
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • David Chippard
    • By David Chippard 8th May 17, 9:36 AM
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    David Chippard
    Aslan Kaplan - future renewables eco {text removed by MSE Forum Team}
    {text removed by MSE Forum Team}

    {text removed by MSE Forum Team}everything from carbon credits to diamonds to land now in bonds in a wind turbine {text removed by MSE Forum Team} called FRE plc.

    ANY company that this Aslan character works for, run from the hills if you have any sense! He is very aggressive and clearly has not been to school before as he uses words he has no clue of the meaning and constantly babbles a string of lies. A shame that the human race produces humans like these.
    Last edited by MSE Andrea; 26-06-2017 at 9:20 AM.
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