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    DogSlobba
    Car Insurance: Do I Have To Declare All My Points
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    • 1st Oct 07, 9:57 PM
    Car Insurance: Do I Have To Declare All My Points 1st Oct 07 at 9:57 PM
    I got 3 points in Nov 2003 (zapped by a mobile camera).

    Then 3 points in 2005 (same road, same camera!)

    Someone told me today that points only last three years, and they aren't automatically removed, you have to ask for them to be removed. I've been googling this, and the sources say the points are valid for three years, but you must keep them on your license for 4 years.

    So, should I declare the 3 points from 2003 because they are on my license, or not declare them because they are no longer valid?
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  • DaisyFlower
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:00 PM
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:00 PM
    Some insurance companies ask if you have had any in 3 years, some say 5 years - if it doesnt indicate the period I would declare them.
  • gazza975526570
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:01 PM
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:01 PM
    A lot of companies ask for details of convictions within the last 5 years - irrespective of what is currently listed on your license.
  • gazza975526570
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:02 PM
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:02 PM
    A lot of companies ask for details of convictions within the last 5 years - irrespective of what is currently listed on your license.

    ps. slow down on that road where that camera
    • vikingaero
    • By vikingaero 1st Oct 07, 10:19 PM
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:19 PM
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    • 1st Oct 07, 10:19 PM
    A lot of companies ask for details of convictions within the last 5 years - irrespective of what is currently listed on your license.

    ps. slow down on that road where that camera
    Originally posted by gazza975526570
    Some Insurers are even more vague and simply ask for details of any convictions, points and penalties without any timeframe. That is open ended enough to need you to declare everything since you started driving.
  • SusanCarter
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    • 2nd Oct 07, 1:04 PM
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    • 2nd Oct 07, 1:04 PM
    If in doubt declare them. Otherwise if you need to make a claim, they may say your insurance is invalid if they find out about undeclared points.
    • raskazz
    • By raskazz 2nd Oct 07, 2:19 PM
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    • 2nd Oct 07, 2:19 PM
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    • 2nd Oct 07, 2:19 PM
    Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 you are required to disclose all convictions for which a fine was imposed for five years after the conviction, regardless of whether the points have been removed from your license for totting-up purposes.

    So you must disclose them both.
    • Hey Dude
    • By Hey Dude 5th Oct 07, 6:54 PM
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    Hey Dude
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    • 5th Oct 07, 6:54 PM
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    • 5th Oct 07, 6:54 PM
    If in doubt declare them. Otherwise if you need to make a claim, they may say your insurance is invalid if they find out about undeclared points.
    Originally posted by SusanCarter
    Doubtful.

    Most would sort the claim and recalculate what your premium should have been at the start if they knew about the offence and then ask you to stump up the difference.

    Dude
    • raskazz
    • By raskazz 5th Oct 07, 7:36 PM
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    • 5th Oct 07, 7:36 PM
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    • 5th Oct 07, 7:36 PM
    Doubtful.

    Most would sort the claim and recalculate what your premium should have been at the start if they knew about the offence and then ask you to stump up the difference.

    Dude
    Originally posted by Hey Dude
    Most will re-write the cover and charge the difference where possible. Problem arises when the policy you are placed on has tight underwriting criteria and would not have accepted the risk had they known about the conviction. Not a sensible gamble to take.
  • guppy
    Doubtful.

    Most would sort the claim and recalculate what your premium should have been at the start if they knew about the offence and then ask you to stump up the difference.
    Originally posted by Hey Dude
    Maybe, but they would do this for their own reasons only. You'd be relying on their good will. You have a duty to disclose all relevant information when you take out insurance. If its a big claim, they are more likely to try and wriggle out of paying.

    However a 2002 court case (see link below) indicates that it is unlawful for insurers to rely on endorsements relating to spent convictions in order to disadvantage a driver. If firms insist on asking questions about spent convictions, then they must effectively ignore the answers they receive.

    http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/25/25-disclosure-of-spent-motoring-convictions.htm
  • rejory
    Car Insurance non-declared points on licence.
    I had been getting my car insurance updated automatically by direct debit and had not updated my fixed penalty points with my insurers.
    When I attemted to make them aware they said I then owed them 987 pounds backdated for the last three years plus next year's premium of 755 pounds (up from 260).
    I said of course I was unable to pay this and wish to cancel my insurance. They said I would still owe the 987 pounds.
    I spoke to a manager who said he would see what he could do and would call me back. Of course he hasn't and I'm now wondering what course of action I can take?
    • Hey Dude
    • By Hey Dude 20th Oct 07, 1:27 PM
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    Hey Dude
    I had been getting my car insurance updated automatically by direct debit and had not updated my fixed penalty points with my insurers.
    When I attemted to make them aware they said I then owed them 987 pounds backdated for the last three years plus next year's premium of 755 pounds (up from 260).
    I said of course I was unable to pay this and wish to cancel my insurance. They said I would still owe the 987 pounds.
    I spoke to a manager who said he would see what he could do and would call me back. Of course he hasn't and I'm now wondering what course of action I can take?
    Originally posted by rejory
    Were the points also from 3 years ago?

    Dude
  • rejory
    Unfortunately yes!
    2004 and 2005.
  • huski
    Let me refresh this topic as I find it very useful . I wanted to ask, when do I have to declare the points earned for speeding? Let's say that I took insurance in September 2010, in December 2010 I earned 3 points for speeding. In February 2011, I had wee scrape with other driver's car suffering some small damage (mainly paintwork, maybe tiny tiny dent). Am I running a risk of my policy being invalidated because of the 3 points that I earned few months ago? I was sincerely convinced that I'm only obliged to disclose all the points/convictions if I want to renew the policy.
    Regards
    Huski
  • gregd
    From my experience you need to disclose at renewal only but it depends what it says in policy under general conditions.
  • huski
    Again, thanks for your helpful answer I'm thinking the same, just got a little bit hyper after reading dozens of threads on policies being void due to some minor omissions and inconsistencies.
    Regards
    Huski
  • pompeyfaith
    even if it was 5 years both these would be out of date as the last was 2005.

    I would send the licence in and have them removed as they no longer count
  • pompeyfaith
    Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 you are required to disclose all convictions for which a fine was imposed for five years after the conviction, regardless of whether the points have been removed from your license for totting-up purposes.

    So you must disclose them both.
    WHY 5 years after 2005 is 2010 ?
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 28th Feb 11, 10:10 PM
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    lisyloo
    WHY 5 years after 2005 is 2010 ?
    That's what I first thought.
    But it was posted in 2007 and someone has resurrected an old thread (perhaps after doing a search), so the advice was correct at the time.
  • huski
    someone has resurrected an old thread (perhaps after doing a search)
    Originally posted by lisyloo
    It was me There is more up date id:41608688 Sorry for making the mess.
    Regards
    Huski
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