Civil Penalty Notice

Jordan1983 · 7 May 2013 at 8:13PM

Hi, I've got a civil penalty notice from car parking partnership and I've appealed via their website about being a resident of the area. However, I have now read 5-10 threads on here saying ignore, ignore and ignore. I now know I should of just ignored but my question is that now I've appealed, should I still ignore letters they are bound to send?

All I said in my appeal is that that is my parking space.

Thanks for the help in advance

Coupon-mad · 7 May 2013 at 8:24PM

NO, you've read old threads; ignore is the 2012 advice but in 2013 most regulars recommend you APPEAL. Are you sure they called it a Civil PENALTY??

It's not a very 'legal' charge (but not 'illegal' as it's just a speculative invoice) and you WILL NOT be paying this.

Your options are:

- to challenge it to POPLA with our help (if this was in England or Wales only) when you get the rejection letter from CPP.

- OR ignore it (a must if in Scotland) and a reasonable option in England/Wales if you don't mind ignoring debt collector letters and doesn't scare easily.

See this link about what a PPC has to get right:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/keeper-liability/

and this thread with the BPA Code of Practice - most PPCs fail to comply in several ways so spot the difference, consider where they have failed, use it in your appeals:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=4535287

and this sticky thread which shows successful POPLA appeals - most recent ones have won now that we know the system. Includes a win against CPP:

POPLA Decisions thread.

This is a well-known 'fake PCN issuer' and if you decide to send a challenge make sure it doesn't even tell them anything.

Such as this:

http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/appeal-letter/

or this:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=78723

or this:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=78800

or a version of this (post #7):

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=78659

Please show us your draft challenge and definitely get help at POPLA appeal stage once you get that rejection letter. It would be daft to ignore it now that you will be at the stage where you can win this - and cost them money to fund the POPLA stage!

HTH

Jordan1983 · 7 May 2013 at 8:46PM

Thanks for the reply. Just read the notice again. It doesn't actually mention penalty anywhere. It's just titled "civil park notice".

In my first appeal I quoted their reason for issuing me with the notice(Parking in a resident's parking space without clearly displaying a valid resident's permit) and said that I am a resident of the housing estate and I have a letter from the council saying my permit is valid until May even though it has a end date of March written on it.

Since it seems they reject all appeals, do you have an idea of how long before I get a rejection? And which of the two options would you recommend I take when I get rejected?

Coupon-mad · 7 May 2013 at 10:45PM

You need to sit down and read those links. As you will see from the Parking Cowboys link about 'keeper liability' they have to accept or reject your appeal within 35 days.

And as I said above 'it would be daft to ignore it now' so please update your thread when you get the rejection letter and tell us whether they actually give you the POPLA code that they should. If they do then that's your chance to get this cancelled at their expense!

In the meantime read those links as you will need to formulate a draft for POPLA which we can then help you to perfect. Sounds like you have a very strong case anyway but you will see that the links I gave you also have other challenge points to add into your POPLA appeal.

Jordan1983 · 16 May 2013 at 5:51PM

Hi, just received my rejection from the online appeal back via email.

"Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the above Civil Parking Notice (CPN). I have considered the case carefully and have decided to reject your appeal on the following grounds;

Your vehicle was recorded as parked without displaying a valid permit. This is due to the permit on display having expired. It is the motorists responsibility to display a valid in date permit and is clearly signposted therefore would not warrant us in cancelling the notice.

I am confident that all signage and the CPN are compliant with all industry standards and to the British Parking Association's code of practice to which we subscribe."

I've been provided with a POPLA code, how would you suggest I start off? Thanks

Jordan1983 · 18 May 2013 at 1:43AM

Any help please?

Coupon-mad · 18 May 2013 at 1:48AM

Again, read the links already given to you, that's the basis of your POPLA draft to start with.

Formulate a draft for POPLA which we can then help you to perfect - no-one can write it from scratch except you really, as you were there and know some of the issues you've identified by now I assume, after reading up about it when you first posted & got the links I provided.

Sounds like you have a very strong case anyway but you will see that the links I gave you also have other challenge points to add into your POPLA appeal. So just put it together and post your draft here for further advice.

The links really are self explanatory; not as complicated as they may appear at first glance. And read the BPA Code of Practice (honestly!) to pick out the breaches.

Stroma · 18 May 2013 at 1:49AM

Okay your post has slipped by without reply, sorry about that, this is a very busy forum

anyway I suggest you go to https://www.pepipoo.com for advice on an a popla appeal now, they can help you formulate a very strong appeal there. Some of our posters help here with this, but there are more there and it might be quicker.

Coupon-mad · 18 May 2013 at 2:01AM

Stroma wrote: »

Okay your post has slipped by without reply, sorry about that, this is a very busy forum anyway I suggest you go to www.pepipoo.com for advice on an a popla appeal now, they can help you formulate a very strong appeal there. Some of our posters help here with this, but there are more there and it might be quicker.

Yep but pepipoo won't write a POPLA appeal from scratch either - well I wouldn't anyway, no time and lack of the 'inside information' that the OP has. And to be fair, the OP has had a lot of links & info to start to put a draft together even if copied from other people's POPLA appeals. It's pretty easy to write a draft letter when shown examples of them...

Jordan1983 · 20 May 2013 at 1:21AM

Alright I'm going to start a draft this week and post it here.

Just wondering, if my POPLA appeal gets rejected would I have to pay this "fine"?

Stroma · 20 May 2013 at 5:54AM

No the decisions are not binding upon you, and its not a fine

Civil Penalty Notice

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