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    Drodough
    Boiler/ gas service to sell my house??
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:42 PM
    Boiler/ gas service to sell my house?? 10th Feb 10 at 10:42 PM
    My boiler has not been serviced recently. House is sold subject to contract and we are ready to exchange. My buyer has now requested I get Landlords gas safety cert/ boiler service at my expense (he is buying it as a buy to let). My solicitor has advised I should not do it, and that buyer should get it checked if he wants to (in the same way that if you get a survey done, you pay, not the seller). My EA agent however, thinks I am being unreasonable in refusing?! (on my solicitors advice!). EA of the property I am buying says this is not a standard request and it is reasonable to say he should do this at his expense. I don't want the sale to fall through over this (obviously), but getting conflicting advice.

    As far as I know the system is fine, never had any issues whatsoever, been advised the cert. will be £60-£80 plus any repair costs.

    Thoughts anyone?

    Thanks in advance
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  • Drodough
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:44 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:44 PM
    Just to add, taken a drop on what I wanted for the property in order to get a quick sale, so feel the buyer is getting a good buy- not sure if this is really relevant, but prob helps explain why I feel so reluctant to start paying out even more money on the sale!
  • uk property expert
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:52 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:52 PM
    I know where the buyer is coming from.
    As the buyer is a landlord they have to get a boiler cert. If the boiler is condemned (happens a lot) then he will have to pay circa 1400 to replace. I would think that if you say you will sort out cert and if it passes he pays but if it is condemned you will deduct replacement cost from agreed price.
    The buyer will go with that.
    • G_M
    • By G_M 10th Feb 10, 10:54 PM
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    G_M
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:54 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 10:54 PM
    Personally I think he's taking the...
    Say no and see what happens. If the deal is then really falling through (rather than him calling your bluff/pushing you to the edge) say you'll get it serviced if he sends you a cheque for £45 (NOT deduct from the house price in case the sale falls through!).

    Really don't see why you should get a landlords certificate just because he wants to rent the property out!

    Are there any other gas appliances in the house? If so, that costs even more for the certificate.
  • timmyt
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:02 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:02 PM
    the boiler as with the fabric of the building always has been and remains a matter of survey for the buyer. at the moment it is a sellers market as so few houses are coming on.

    if the buyer is being petty over the cost of a service then they are not taking the deal seriously and they probably will n ot exchnage.

    your lawyer is dead right but the estate agent is just worried for their commission by the sound of it.

    but you will do whatever gets the deal through
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:02 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:02 PM
    Oooo thanks for the replies- again though, seems to be such a difficult one, as everyone I speak to has a different opinion! See, if it was condemmed and I had to then replace the boiler, this would be to a modern A-rated combi, with guarantee- in which case, surely I would then be looking to achieve a slightly higher asking price on the house anyway?? Not that this should be an issue as I believe it is fine, serviced approx 3 years ago and OK then. G_M my solicitor is of the same mind as you! Unfortunately my EA is not and I am concerned that she has communicated this to the buyer!
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:07 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:07 PM
    the boiler as with the fabric of the building always has been and remains a matter of survey for the buyer. at the moment it is a sellers market as so few houses are coming on.

    if the buyer is being petty over the cost of a service then they are not taking the deal seriously and they probably will n ot exchnage.

    your lawyer is dead right but the estate agent is just worried for their commission by the sound of it.

    but you will do whatever gets the deal through
    Originally posted by timmyt
    Well, I am assuming as we are nearing exchange th ebuyer will have had to have paid out a fair amount on solicitors fees? And presumably mortgage arrangement fees? Or do you not pay these if the sale falls through? So I believe they're a genuine buyer. Unfortunately my EA can give no indictaion as to whether she considers the buyer will pull out if I don't arrange this, so I'm veering towards getting the darn thing, but a niggling voice keeps telling me it's unfair and if it falls through it falls through (had a lot of interest in property and was only for sale for one week). <sigh>. Just don't know... will seem ridiculous if the sale falls through becuase of this though!
    • G_M
    • By G_M 10th Feb 10, 11:20 PM
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    G_M
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    Your EA is just concerned about his commission. His viewpoint? Get the boiler serviced and get the house sold. The cost is not his problem so he doesn't care.

    if it was condemmed and I had to then replace the boiler, this would be to a modern A-rated combi, with guarantee- in which case, surely I would then be looking to achieve a slightly higher asking price
    No. The next buyer would just see this as part of the deal. In the unlikely event of it being condemned, you'd bear the cost.

    You're right about the buyer's expenses. Did he have a survey done? Has he arranged a mortgage? Has his solicitor done work?

    Will he really walk away from all that cost for the sake of a boiler service? No.
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:39 PM
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    • 10th Feb 10, 11:39 PM
    Thanks G_M you have confirmed what I was thinking. Wish I could speak to the buyer directly and come to an agreement- very frustrating communicating through someone else (ie my EA) as have to trust they will put things across well or that is where it could all go wrong! Will ask EA to advise he pays, as you suggested and see what happens! Will let you know! Thanks all
  • clutton
    depends on how quickly you want to sell... do you want to lose a sale for less than £100 of gas engineers invoice ?

    what sort of boiler is it and how old is it ?
    • G_M
    • By G_M 10th Feb 10, 11:47 PM
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    G_M
    Thanks G_M you have confirmed what I was thinking. Wish I could speak to the buyer directly and come to an agreement- very frustrating communicating through someone else (ie my EA) as have to trust they will put things across well or that is where it could all go wrong! Will ask EA to advise he pays, as you suggested and see what happens! Will let you know! Thanks all
    Originally posted by Drodough
    Do you have contact details for the buyer? No reason you can't speak direct if you prefer.

    Or get your solicitor to give your answer via his solicitor. Cut out the EA if you are not happy with them.
  • Drodough
    depends on how quickly you want to sell... do you want to lose a sale for less than £100 of gas engineers invoice ?

    what sort of boiler is it and how old is it ?
    Originally posted by clutton
    Approx 15 years old and Baxi- beyond that, my knowledge is limited!!
  • Drodough
    Do you have contact details for the buyer? No reason you can't speak direct if you prefer.

    Or get your solicitor to give your answer via his solicitor. Cut out the EA if you are not happy with them.
    Originally posted by G_M
    Will do that although EA is quite involved in the issue now.
  • Drodough
    [QUOTE=clutton;29786629]depends on how quickly you want to sell... do you want to lose a sale for less than £100 of gas engineers invoice ?QUOTE]

    No, but then again, I think I would sell again quite easily anyway (touch wood!) and I feel the buyer is getting a good deal (I think I could have got more if I'd rejected his offer)- I've said I'll throw in lots of extras too that weren't agreed at purchase (made to measure blinds etc) just as a goodwill gesture, so just feel this is a bit- cheeky? I'm sure his solicitor advised him to ask as the request came that way, but I just don't think it's that reasonable- if he plans to let it, he should stand the costs. In addition, I'm concerned a gas engineer may 'find' something to 'fix', just to boost the cost, and me knowing nothing about boilers can only take his word and will end up paying even more, just to get the certificate.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 11th Feb 10, 12:14 AM
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    getmore4less
    Does this guy have a few BTL?

    A lot of the pros know the EA especialy if they use them for getting tennents.

    How many viewers/buyers have there been?


    Could always try telling the EA that you will change agents if the sale falls through.
  • Drodough
    Does this guy have a few BTL?

    A lot of the pros know the EA especialy if they use them for getting tennents.

    How many viewers/buyers have there been?


    Could always try telling the EA that you will change agents if the sale falls through.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    Get the impression this is his first BTL and no indication he was known to the EA at all.

    Was on for one week, 5 viewings, 4 took place (cancelled last one as accepted offer) one offer (ie my buyer) and one person who really wanted it also but had to confirm mortgage amount they could get. I didnt want to lose the house I am buying, so accepted my buyers offer (lower than I wanted after 1 week on the market) as EA advised he was in a strong position to get a mortgage.

    I think I am contracted to the EA for 3 months? Which would be another 7 weeks...
    • Patr100
    • By Patr100 11th Feb 10, 2:12 AM
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    Patr100
    You've already taken a drop in price so he can use that money saved towards a new boiler if necessary.
    Tell him no deal - He''s trying it on - it's for him to check the condition not you. That's what your solicitor says as well.
    ---I Shop Therefore I Am ---
    • Running Horse
    • By Running Horse 11th Feb 10, 8:07 AM
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    Running Horse
    There are regular discussions on here about people who have been advised to check the boiler in the survey, but just moved in and it doesn't work. So I can see where he is coming from, but it's normally his responsibility. Only you know how hardball you and him might get over this.
    Proud to be filthier than anyone else.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 11th Feb 10, 9:02 AM
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    C_Mababejive
    Follow your solicitors advice. This person is having a laugh. You are a private individual and there is no legal obligation for you to have a landlords safety cert. If he wants one,then let him get one AFTER exchange of contracts.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
  • Drodough
    Follow your solicitors advice. This person is having a laugh. You are a private individual and there is no legal obligation for you to have a landlords safety cert. If he wants one,then let him get one AFTER exchange of contracts.
    Originally posted by C_Mababejive
    Can I insist it's after exchange? I would imagine he can get this done at any point- it would be unreasonable to refuse someone any investigative work before exchange wouldn't it? In the same way you can get a specialist in to look at damp/brickwork etc etc prior to exchange?
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