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Old 15-06-2008, 5:14 PM
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Default mercedes c class diesel whats the difference?

Does anyone know what the difference is between the mercedes c200 cdi and the c220 cdi?
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C200 is the crippled version of the c220. Both same engines, but crippled version means they can fill the lower market and increase the relative price of the better models.

From http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/di...0cdisportest/2

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When choosing from the three diesel options, it's not difficult: the entry-choice C200 CDI has the same 2,148cc engine as the C220 but delivers an adequate 136hp against the latter's beefier 170hp.
Are you sure a Merc is what you want though? It has been noted by many people that quality of more recent mercs has gone down hill. Not sure if that still applies to the absolute newest models, but with everything I've heard, Mercedes wouldn't be my first choice.
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The new C Class is superb and bears no relation to any of the build issues some drivers experienced on the old model. It looks great and is flying off the shelves. The C220 engine is simply a 170hp version of the same 2148cc' kit, the standard C200 gives 136hp. Company car drivers tend to go for the C200 based on purchase price but if you want some 'oomph' and do some heavy mileage get the C220. Both rate their fuel cycle (combined) as 47.9mpg but the co2 emissions on a manual are 156 g/km and 173g/km on an automatic. The Sport spec' is the best seller so far (on our records at least), closely followed by Elegance.
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We don't touch them at our garage! Very hateful things. Yet I know other people who swear by them.

I'd rather stock up with A4, 3 Series, Accord, S60, 9-3's to cover that section of the small exec market...
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Im looking at a 54 or 55 plate "facelift" model, what are the common problems with these? has anyone had one?
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The common problem I find with Mercs is the plonker behind the steering wheel.
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Im looking at a 54 or 55 plate "facelift" model, what are the common problems with these? has anyone had one?

Check this website www.whatcar.co.uk and this one www.honestjohn.co.uk but don't forget this one www.parkers.co.uk

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Are you sure a Merc is what you want though? It has been noted by many people that quality of more recent mercs has gone down hill. Not sure if that still applies to the absolute newest models, but with everything I've heard, Mercedes wouldn't be my first choice.

This was true from about 1994/5 when the accountants took control and decided that the Mercedes was "over engineered". From my reading recently they are supposed to be heading back to the days of superior build and reliability.
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Im looking at a 54 or 55 plate "facelift" model, what are the common problems with these? has anyone had one?
rust,electrical faults,poor interior trim quality.
engines still good though.
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One of my clients got a deal on a new one of the outgoing model, i.e. the one your thinking of.
When it was two weeks old, on the motorway, he completely lost all power to the brakes, as in no foot brake at all
He managed to stop the car using the parking brake.
The Mercedes dealer had all the parts in stock to make the repair, they had seen the problem before.
In a world of just in time delivery and having to wait for most parts to be ordered in you do have to wonder when a dealer holds in stock parts which fix complete brake failure.
I find it hard to get a warm feeling about the prospect of modern Mercedes ownership.
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Thanks folks, I have looked at the Audi A4 and the BMW 3 series but the Merc is winning at the moment. Any others you all think may be worth a look befor I commit myself?
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Thanks folks, I have looked at the Audi A4 and the BMW 3 series but the Merc is winning at the moment. Any others you all think may be worth a look befor I commit myself?
Question marks over reliability aside I see the Merc. C Class as the top choice among these if you a) want an automtic and b) want good ride quality
The A4 wins on styling inside and out and quality of materials
The 3 series wins on engines, refinement and handling (in in this regard nothing else comes close)

Others to consider would be Lexus IS220d, Honda Accord 2.2CDTi (the most refined 4 cylinder diesel going until the Subaru Legacy Boxer Diesel's arrival in the last couple of months). You might be able to find a nearly new (new shape) Ford Mondeo in this price range, too impressive to ignore these days. Also a nearly new (again new shape) Mazda 6 should be available for similar money to this age of C Class. Lastly the larger VW Passat might be worth a look, but if you've already turned down the A4 I guess this one would be out too.
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There's a growing rate of auto gearbox problems on post 2001 gearboxes. Most autobox engineers have never been busier.
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There's a growing rate of auto gearbox problems on post 2001 gearboxes. Most autobox engineers have never been busier.
Oh dear, and the C Class is difficult to drive as a manual because operating the parking brake requires the use of your left foot as it is a pedal to the left of the clutch. Hill starts are interesting, use your left foot to disengage the brake at the same time as using your left foot to release the clutch ..... doesn't work.
The later models of this car had a solution, so if buying manual make you you get this.
The following article is a useful read on this point:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=282
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Well folks, Have just driven a c200cdi auto today (05 plate) and to be honest was a little dissapointed,(Noisy, Gutless to say the least!) so then tried a passat Tdi and was very impressed so back to the drawing board maybe?
Time for a rethink? I have not driven the Audi but was put off by its looks more than anything might have a rethink.
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rust,electrical faults,poor interior trim quality.
engines still good though.
get one of them french cars
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I drive a C220cdi automatic (51 plate) and have a great deal of pleasure driving it since I bought it new. I get 65 mpg on motorway driving and 45 mpg combined, it is faster off the mark than some smaller cars I have driven and never lets me down when I want to nip passed someone at 65-70. I had it on a race track once to find a top speed and bottled it at 105.

The only problems I have had are quick wearing brakes and for some reason I seem to go through a lot of sidelight bulbs.
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Well folks, Have just driven a c200cdi auto today (05 plate) and to be honest was a little dissapointed,(Noisy, Gutless to say the least!) so then tried a passat Tdi and was very impressed so back to the drawing board maybe?
Time for a rethink? I have not driven the Audi but was put off by its looks more than anything might have a rethink.
Go on, just for me , try a new shape BMW 320d SE 05 to 55 plate should fit the budget you seem to have.
Compared the the C Class it's much quicker (than even the 220), quieter all round and offers genuine sports car handling on a twisty road, puts a smile on my face every time I drive it even after 35,000 miles and 32 months of ownership. Also much lower servicing costs than you might think. I have spend under 250 since new on servicing and 400 on one set of tyres (run-flats are a bit more expensive).
The only thing I can think of that might put you off is the ride is a bit on the firm side and the styling / image is not everyone's cup of tea.

On average I get 46mpg (measured properly, not OBC reading) and can get 50-55mpg+ on a long run. I'm very sceptical that any diesel car of this size and power really gets 65mpg at motorways speeds over a trip unless it's all down hill or something. That is until we start considering Sept. 2007 onwards BMW efficient dynamics cars where a 318d will get that kind of figure.
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get one of them french cars
i know, my girlfriend has a 206,it suffers from all, except rust, well yet any way.
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There's a growing rate of auto gearbox problems on post 2001 gearboxes. Most autobox engineers have never been busier.
Most of which are down to the Valeo radiator, and would most likely be not applicable to this model. In any case its the TC that needs replacing, not the gearbox, and its done under warranty as its a design fault.
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