17 year old speeding, will he get banned

[Big_Bob_999]

My son was out riding his motorbike with 2 mates, basically they went double speed limit and got stopped by police.

All 3 are going to get done for excessive speed,

Dont get me wrong it was his own fault and motorbike is up forsale, and basically he could have killed himself!

But as soon as got stopped by police decided to give up his bike, buckle down with his car lessons which he has now passed.

However if he gets banned he will lose his new job.

Went to primary hearing at court who basically said come back in month as you will be told on that date, how long banned for. He said will lose job, they said get solicitor.

Trouble is solicitors cost money, would legal aid cover any of this

Any suggestions
Thanks

[laurz121]

Obviously he should be banned under normal circumstances so a few questions that could make a difference.

What job does he do? How is his job dependent on him being able to drive?
Had he passed his test before he got the job or did he get the job first?
What kind of bike licence did he have and how long had he held it?
And if he got stopped for doing double the speed limit and was prosecuted then how has he been able to take his driving test since then? Did he take the test before the court date?

thanks

[jonuk7]

legal aid are usually there if your on very low income or jobseekers allowance/income support, it may be worth finding one who does a free first consultation and seeing what they say. the other thing with it is if you get 5 (i think) points within your first 2 years passing your test its an automatic ban anyway, i got pulled on the M1 a month or so ago doing 105 mph (stupid i know) and i got 6 points for that in court luckily it was after having my license for the 2 years so kept it. he may be very luck and get a fine and 3 points... what you need is like said above it needs to be made clear how important driving is to his career etc nd if he loses his licence hell lose his job etc... but id definatley get a freebie solicitor for an hour and squash all the questions into that..

[Big_Bob_999]

THanks for your quick reply

He is a trainee chef at a nursing home so does not have to drive, but works funny shifts and job is a longway away 1 1/2 hrs.

Bike license was only a provisional, part 1, 8months held
But he has just passed car test, 2 weeks before court date.

Had job just before commiting the offence
Does this help?

So guess will be banned for motorbikes but think this will affect his car license

[Keith]

You only have one licence, lose one, lose them all.

[shammyjack]

My son was out riding his motorbike with 2 mates, basically they went double speed limit and got stopped by police.

All 3 are going to get done for excessive speed,

Dont get me wrong it was his own fault and motorbike is up forsale, and basically he could have killed himself!

But as soon as got stopped by police decided to give up his bike, buckle down with his car lessons which he has now passed.

However if he gets banned he will lose his new job.

Went to primary hearing at court who basically said come back in month as you will be told on that date, how long banned for. He said will lose job, they said get solicitor.

Trouble is solicitors cost money, would legal aid cover any of this

Any suggestions
Thanks

He will and should get banned , hopefully until he is mature enough to realise speeding can cost lives including his own ( idiot ! )

Hard lessons are usually the most remembered, I hope he learns from his .

By the way, why should the tax payer fund his legal fees when he is so obviously guilty of braking the law and shows a complete disregard for others ?

Would you be posting on here if he had run down and killed a child !


shammy

[Hermione54]

Was he doing 140 mph? I don't think this will be viewed sympathetically by the court, frankly, and I think he will lose his licence for probably 6 months. It would be worth getting a good solicitor, though, and grovelling - you never know, he might get lucky. It's a bit of a lottery.

[zappahey]

He will and should get banned , hopefully until he is mature enough to realise speeding can cost lives including his own ( idiot ! )

Hard lessons are usually the most remembered, I hope he learns from his .

By the way, why should the tax payer fund his legal fees when he is so obviously guilty of braking the law and shows a complete disregard for others ?

Would you be posting on here if he had run down and killed a child !


shammy

It never takes long for the sanctimonious to appear, who have never been young, who have never broken the law and who have never made a mistake in their lives.

Presumably if it was your son, you'd be first in line to throw away the key?

[shammyjack]

It never takes long for the sanctimonious to appear, who have never been young, who have never broken the law and who have never made a mistake in their lives.

Presumably if it was your son, you'd be first in line to throw away the key?


Not sanctimonious, just realistic and yes I have been young , were you born old ?

I have an 18 year old son who is a trainee surveyor, past his test first time, has a company car and is a careful and considerate driver !

I past my test 7 days after my 17th birthday ( 54 now ) and have never had an accident or insurance claim in my life .

Good drivers have to pay for the mistakes of idiots, WHY !


shammy

[FlameCloud]

My son was out riding his motorbike with 2 mates, basically they went double speed limit and got stopped by police.

All 3 are going to get done for excessive speed,

Dont get me wrong it was his own fault and motorbike is up forsale, and basically he could have killed himself!

But as soon as got stopped by police decided to give up his bike, buckle down with his car lessons which he has now passed.

However if he gets banned he will lose his new job.

Went to primary hearing at court who basically said come back in month as you will be told on that date, how long banned for. He said will lose job, they said get solicitor.

Trouble is solicitors cost money, would legal aid cover any of this

Any suggestions
Thanks

He could always stand up and take his punishment you know...

Yes, it maybe a bit sanctimonious, but going twice the speed limit for that particular road is something he deserves to get punished for. Say he killed a small child (entirly possible, given that it was probably a built up area anyway), you'd be screaming for justice then and asking why he wasnt banned before.

[zappahey]

He could always stand up and take his punishment you know...

Yes, it maybe a bit sanctimonious, but going twice the speed limit for that particular road is something he deserves to get punished for. Say he killed a small child (entirly possible, given that it was probably a built up area anyway), you'd be screaming for justice then and asking why he wasnt banned before.

It's entirely sanctimonious and entirely predictable that the cry of "Think of the children" is trotted out every time someone asks for advice, in this case not even for himself.

Can we just take it as read that the punishment is entirely deserved, that speeders will rot in hell and perhaps leave room for some practical advice?

[jw1096]

It's entirely sanctimonious and entirely predictable that the cry of "Think of the children" is trotted out every time someone asks for advice, in this case not even for himself.

Can we just take it as read that the punishment is entirely deserved, that speeders will rot in hell and perhaps leave room for some practical advice?

How about think about bloody adults then - my cousin having previously been run over by a stupid little kid when he was 21 and on his way to a job interview with the RAF, left for dead in the road, and subsequently lost his spleen preventing any possible career in the forces with lifetime health care bills, and frankly, I was not bloody amused. Honestly, if I got my hands on the little scrot id wring his neck. Its not just the potential to damage another person or property, its also a lack of care for themselves too. As far as I am concerned the punishments clearly arent strong enough as it continues to happen. Take the punishment, and find a job closer to home would be my shouty response.

As for practicality, it is entirely dependent on a judge in cases such as these as to whether he will be allowed to keep his licence on the merit of the case. Given that his licence is not strictly necessary for his work, only for his transport to and from work, it is probable that he will lose it. It would take some severe justifications to prevent this, for e.g a disability that prevents use of public transport, absolutely no work locally and therefore absolutley must keep this job to support his family as a breadwinner, or that his licence is necessary in order for him to care for others. If for instance, he is primary carer for a diabled person, then he would probably keep it.

Id be prepared to lose it if it really was doing double the speed limit.

[Markyt]

Hows about, and here's a radical idea, people answer the question instead of making random statements about hypothetical scenarios?

[xycom1]

It never takes long for the sanctimonious to appear, who have never been young, who have never broken the law and who have never made a mistake in their lives.

Presumably if it was your son, you'd be first in line to throw away the key?

I still am young and I don't do that !!!!.

I drive at 90 on the motorway but in so doing accept that if I get caught, I am going to get a ticket. I don't do 95 because I don't want to go to court.

Do the crime, do the time. It's about time people started to learn about responsibility and the consequence of their actions. Instead of the leftie liberalism that we have this government to thank for.

[anewman]

Hows about, and here's a radical idea, people answer the question instead of making random statements about hypothetical scenarios?
The fact he did twice the limit is not hypothetical. Speed limits are there for a reason. This is why when you drive in country areas with no houses the limit is national, and when you approach populated areas it reduces to 30mph.

I would hope someone speeding at such an excessive level will get banned. Why should one person get away with speeding? I could go out and do twice the limit but there are reasons I don't.

[Crabman]

Children should learn to look & listen before crossing roads...

If 6 points are clocked up within 2 years of passing the driving test, irrespective of age, the licence is revoked and all entitlement lost.

[Andy L]

By the way, why should the tax payer fund his legal fees when he is so obviously guilty of braking the law and shows a complete disregard for others ?

Because its a fairly basic tenant of English Law that if the state prosecutes you you don't have to pay for your own legal defence.

[Big_Bob_999]

Many thanks for your replies esp to those that answered the question.
Yes he was stupid and I agree could of injured himself and others at such speeds.
Which was 60mph in a 30mph on a 100cc motorbike.
But everyone at some point whether knowingly or not has broken speed limit and for most i'd say you were unlucky if you got caught, since now government rakes in millions per year from cameras which are everywhere.
Unlucky of course unless you were doubling speed limit like he was!

Since this website is about saving money, thought i'd ask if legal aid would be available for him, as I thought it wouldnt be for the obvious reasons.
Although how often do you do hear about millions being wasted here and there by the government and its departments?

[FlameCloud]

But everyone at some point whether knowingly or not has broken speed limit and for most i'd say you were unlucky if you got caught, since now government rakes in millions per year from cameras which are everywhere.


I'd wage alot of money that everyone has. However, I have NEVER gone twice the speed limit, especially in a 30 zone. It is vastly different from going 35 in the same zone. Far, far more dangerous.

Its one thing IMO to get banned for 4 speeding fines (12 pts, all of them for doing 35 etc), entirely another to get banned in one lump sum.

I really hope he does.

[aj3001]

Will everyone trying to suggest he slows down please shut up, even if your determined to preach, go preach to his son, not him!

Big_Bob_999, people are right that you are only allowed 6 points on your license in your first two years before reverting to the 12 available points. I understand that your son is a similar age to me, and therefore to be honest, speed is fun and I can see why he did it, I was exactly the same until something gave me the incentive to slow down.

I can tell you that I passed my test February 2006, and in September 2006 I was caught doing 48mph in a 30 by a mobile speed camera, I got 3 points and a fine, but with talking to the copper, she said that someone else was doing 51mph and is going to court over it to probally lose his license.

I know speeds in excess of circa 95mph in a National Speed limit will result in an almost automatic ban because the Magistrates have no flexibility in what they can give and they try and crack down on young drivers that drive fast.

One piece of advice which may turn out to be very useful, is stop trying to sell the bike, if he loses his license and reverts back to provisional, it will be months before he can get through the car test, but maybe can redo the CBT within a week if hes lucky, then use the bike for work, that way he won't have to give up his job

Unfortunatly, as he doesn't require his job for work, I don't think they will care much, it was his choice to work so far away and the Magistrates will tell you there is public transport for a reason

If you need anything else, feel free to PM me or email me on aj3001@gmail.com and I will be able to give you all the infomation you need without the idiots trying to give you guilt trips about how 30mph is safe but at 31mph you start killing everything within 20 miles of your front and rear bumpers!

[jw1096]

It is unlikely that legal aid will be available for offences of a less serious nature, which includes traffic offences.

"You should note that legal aid is generally not available for motoring offences, unless they are the more serious kind, but a good solicitor will discuss this possibility with you. If you fight a case and win then some, or all, of your solicitor's costs may well be paid by the court."

Taken from http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/motoringsolicitors.htm

It has a handy 'road reckoner' which will give you a reasonable indication of what a likely punishment will be, which will be available again tomorrow.

http://www.safe2travel.co.uk/content/youngDrivers/sixPoints.asp shows that the offence warrants between 3-6 points. I guess the speed involved will determine what is given.

Jo x

[xycom1]

To get caught speeding is not 100% unlucky, there is an element of skill involved with being undetected. Simple observation (which is essential if you are travelling above the limit, especially at twice the limit) will help you eliminate the presence of speed cameras and marked Police cars. Further observation (although I appreciate would be much more difficult on a motorbike) would detect camera equipment fitted to unmarked Police cars.

As speeding offences are dealt with on strict liability, if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute then the offender is bound to be found guilty.

To answer the original question regarding legal aid, look at: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_rights/legal_system/help_with_legal_costs.htm#legal_aid_for_criminal_c ases from the Citizen's Advice Bureau. Basically, legal aid for criminal cases is not available for 'minor offences such as motoring offences'. Basically, the law considers that if someone can afford to drive a motor vehicle then they can afford their own legal representation.

[Optimist]

Since this website is about saving money, thought i'd ask if legal aid would be available for him, as I thought it wouldn't be for the obvious reasons. Although how often do you do hear about millions being wasted here and there by the government and its departments?

If there is little or no risk of a custodial sentence then legal aid is very unlikely to be granted.

As he was doing 30 mph above the speed limit there is a good chance he will be banned but could depend on the road traffic conditions and the weather at the time. Not to mention the mood of the magistrate. You need a solicitor who specialises in motoring offences. Nick Freeman comes to mind but he is very expensive.

He could just plead guilty mention the fact he has now got rid of the bike explain about his job and needing transport be contrite and throw himself on the mercy of the court.

[C_Ronaldo]

If he gets banned then he gets banned, you get caught speeding you pay the price

[before hollywood]

i had a mate that got caught doing 60 in a 30, got fined £60 and got 3 points, they might just give him 3 points as a warning cos if he does it again in 2 years he has license revoked

[Markyt]

If he gets banned then he gets banned, you get caught speeding you pay the price

In other words, you don't know the answer to the question?

[Conor]

That's because without being told the speed and the class of road he was on, it's hard to give an answer.

[tripled]

That's because without being told the speed and the class of road he was on, it's hard to give an answer.

Which was 60mph in a 30mph on a 100cc motorbike

So what's the answer?

In all fairness it wasn't the op who did the offence, they know their son was stupid/irresponsible/a danger/etc, they are simply asking for the best and cheapest way to approach this to avoid their son losing his job.

Surely it's not MSE to say someone should be banned (losing income) and the fine maximised (wasting cash)?

And why all this sanctimonious drivel when the op is clearly aware of the possible consequences and appears to be taking action against their son (sellling the bike for example)?

[Big_Bob_999]

Just to say thank you for everyones opinions

Son went to court last week, told judge he was stupid realised mistake and learnt that by losing licence would lose so much, including his freedom and his job.
Judge fined all £145 and gave 6 points.
However since he had committed act prior to actually passing full car licence he will not be banned, just needs to be very careful any more points licence will be gone,
Also apparently his insurance cost wont increase as speeding is so common that it doesnt increase your premiums any more. Just things like drinking and driving do

[mrbadexample]

You only have one licence, lose one, lose them all.

Unless you have a vocational licence (i.e HGV / coach) which can be revoked by a Traffic Commissioner without affecting the car licence but that's not applicable here and I'm just being pedantic so I'll get me coat...:D

[Gold_Shogun]

Just to say thank you for everyones opinions

Son went to court last week, told judge he was stupid realised mistake and learnt that by losing licence would lose so much, including his freedom and his job.
Judge fined all £145 and gave 6 points.
However since he had committed act prior to actually passing full car licence he will not be banned, just needs to be very careful any more points licence will be gone,
Also apparently his insurance cost wont increase as speeding is so common that it doesnt increase your premiums any more. Just things like drinking and driving do
Thanks for the Update, Bob.

Overall, I'd consider that a "Fair & Considerate Penalty"
A) ... It hopefully scares the lad into better driving in the future.
&
B) ... Without giving him such a large penalty OR destroying/removing his incentive to improve & gain experience.
&
C) ... Without making it MUCH herder for your lad to continue working
&
D) ... Crates a "Scary Food-for-thought" Penalty for your lad WITHOUT making him so bitter that he mutates into one of the "Steal a Car OR Drive Uninsured/Disqualified" Smegheads that are unfortunately so common today.

I've also got a (thankfully decent) 17 year old lad who's recently passed his test, so I know EXACTLY how you feel, and offer my good wishes for your lad's future driving experience & education.

Cheers
A.N.Other Bob

[anewman]

Thanks for the Update, Bob.

Overall, I'd consider that a "Fair & Considerate Penalty"
A) ... It hopefully scares the lad into better driving in the future.
&
B) ... Without giving him such a large penalty OR destroying/removing his incentive to improve & gain experience.
&
C) ... Without making it MUCH herder for your lad to continue working
&
D) ... Crates a "Scary Food-for-thought" Penalty for your lad WITHOUT making him so bitter that he mutates into one of the "Steal a Car OR Drive Uninsured/Disqualified" Smegheads that are unfortunately so common today.

So the moral of the story is it's fine to speed double the limit until the police catch you, and you can always use the fact you have a job and lack of experience in your favour?! Something wrong there! There's no doubt he'll have been speeding many times before but was unlucky getting caught this time. The consequences of speeding are clear yet out of sheer ignorance he's been speeding, got caught and obviously wants a way out. IMO there should not be a way out - if he loses his job maybe he'll realise not to speed in future when he gets his next job. I think it would be a much better lesson than a tap on the wrist and being told he was a naughty boy.

A "fair & considerate penalty" may well lead to - "Well I did double the limit and all I got was...." style bragging (not so dissimilar to having ASBOS as a badge of honour) - leading to more speeding. This is not what we want on the roads.

[Gold_Shogun]

So the moral of the story is ...

I think it would be a much better lesson than a tap on the wrist and being told he was a naughty boy.

A "fair & considerate penalty" may well lead to - "Well I did double the limit and all I got was...." style bragging - leading to more speeding. This is not what we want on the roads.I disagree ... 3 Points would have effectively been "a slap on the wrist" ... 6 points on a first offence for a sub-2-year driver is equivalent to giving a more experienced driver a Full 12 points on a similar first offence.

In EITHER case, it gives an effective "Final Warning" as ANY SECOND Offence will automatically result in a ban, whilt STILL giving the offender a "2nd Chance" to LEARN from his mistake.

If you watch any of the "UK Traffic Police" shows & compare this lad to many of the typical (& often much older & more experienced) chavs out there who make it a "Permanent Lifestyle" to steal / Joyride / Drive Drunk-Uninsured-Disqualified-Unlicenced, then you would possibly accept that in THIS Particular Case, it appears that this Lad IS trying to be better than that.

As for your unproven statement that "There's no doubt he'll have been speeding many times before" ... Please think about that a minute BEFORE you start throwing stones at that particular glass house, as it's so obviously a total Red Herring ....
... To the best of my knowledge, I have NEVER met ANY vehicle driver (that has actually been a driver for more than a week or two) who can truthfully say that they have NEVER broken ANY Traffic Law of one sort or another ... If I ever did meet someone who claimed that, I suspect I would find it VERY hard to believe him/her.

Almost everybody deserves at least ONE "2nd chance", especially where nobody actually suffered any harm AND the offender stands a reasonable chance of learning from their mistake to improve themselves ... Better that than to simply create yet another embittered & twisted "couldn't give a !!!!!" smeghead of the type that is SO common today.

IF this lad had actually hurt someone or caused an accident, I might well have a stronger view, but I am (& WAS) talking about THIS particular case on the presented Facts .... NOT in general.

Cheers
Bob

[Conor]

Judge fined all £145 and gave 6 points.
However since he had committed act prior to actually passing full car licence he will not be banned,

You sure about that? He's only had the bike licence 8 months so he still qaulifies for the "6 points in 2 years = ban and retest".

The fact he committed the act prior to getting the car category added is irrelevent. You get one licence. Whatever class vehicle you get prosecuted with affects everything else on that licence even if it was added before.

[milkydrink]

He is a trainee chef at a nursing home so does not have to drive, but works funny shifts and job is a longway away 1 1/2 hrs.



With all due respect you can go a long way in an hour & a half, 45 miles away if your in a built up area & 90 miles in a non-built up area.

Now even if we go with the most conservative estimate, are you really saying that a trainee chef (which isn't a well paid job) drives 90 miles total PER DAY to work?
If we an average of the two we are talking 67.5 miles away thats 135 miles there & back.
If we go with the non-built up route we are talking a round trip of 180 miles PER DAY!!!!

Can a trainee chef really earn enough to cover the petrol for 135 (or 90 or 180) miles driving per day.

You are talking about 450 miles - 900 miles for a 5 day week.

If you are going to go down the route of he needs the licence for his job, you better come up with more realistic stats.

[milkydrink]

I'd wage alot of money that everyone has. However, I have NEVER gone twice the speed limit, especially in a 30 zone. It is vastly different from going 35 in the same zone. Far, far more dangerous.

Its one thing IMO to get banned for 4 speeding fines (12 pts, all of them for doing 35 etc), entirely another to get banned in one lump sum.

I really hope he does.

Gotta say I agree with this.

I've just been done for 36 in a 30 (Saturday afternoon in an industrial estate AKA Ghost town:mad: ).

Anyway there is a world of differece between being a few miles over & DOUBLE.

I think they should do points per mile. So those doing a few miles over do not get the same points as those who are going 20 miles over.

[vikingaero]

With all due respect you can go a long way in an hour & a half, 45 miles away if your in a built up area & 90 miles in a non-built up area.

Now even if we go with the most conservative estimate, are you really saying that a trainee chef (which isn't a well paid job) drives 90 miles total PER DAY to work?
If we an average of the two we are talking 67.5 miles away thats 135 miles there & back.
If we go with the non-built up route we are talking a round trip of 180 miles PER DAY!!!!

Can a trainee chef really earn enough to cover the petrol for 135 (or 90 or 180) miles driving per day.

You are talking about 450 miles - 900 miles for a 5 day week.

If you are going to go down the route of he needs the licence for his job, you better come up with more realistic stats.

Motorbikes are pretty economical. And I'd wager that the 17 year old is on a 125cc or less.

[vikingaero]

With all due respect you can go a long way in an hour & a half, 45 miles away if your in a built up area & 90 miles in a non-built up area.

Now even if we go with the most conservative estimate, are you really saying that a trainee chef (which isn't a well paid job) drives 90 miles total PER DAY to work?
If we an average of the two we are talking 67.5 miles away thats 135 miles there & back.
If we go with the non-built up route we are talking a round trip of 180 miles PER DAY!!!!

Can a trainee chef really earn enough to cover the petrol for 135 (or 90 or 180) miles driving per day.

You are talking about 450 miles - 900 miles for a 5 day week.

If you are going to go down the route of he needs the licence for his job, you better come up with more realistic stats.

Motorbikes are pretty economical. And I'd wager that the 17 year old is on a 125cc or less. Even a small car wouldn't be mega bucks for fuel.

[milkydrink]

Motorbikes are pretty economical. And I'd wager that the 17 year old is on a 125cc or less. Even a small car wouldn't be mega bucks for fuel.

Yeah granted, but would a trainee chef really have a job that required 450 - 900 miles of travelling per week.

thats 1 & a half to 3 tanks of petrol in a car.
The OP did say the offence was commited on a bike, but he had a car now.

I personally didn't think 3 hours a day of commuting for a 17 year old trainee chef sounded like something a court would believe.

Anyway, I didn't realise at the time, but its all over with now.

[mjr600]

The madness of our current criminal justice system is that he is likely to receive an unusually harsh penalty for speeding. Obviously what he did was foolish, dangerous and wrong but thankfully no-one was hurt.

In the event that he commited a criminal offence and was arrested then for most matters at his age he would recieve a reprimand/caution. He would have no fine to pay, no compensation and no real long term impact on employment.

In short he could punch someone in the face, break their nose, admit it, apologise and be in and out of the Police Station with a caution within a couple of hours.

And frankly so could most of the people who have posted on this thread, those of you without previous convictions could commit a whole host of potentially serious offences with greater long term impact on a real victim and receive an Adult Caution, no compensation, no fine, no nothing but a short spell at the nick, some admin etc

Almost everyone in the UK with a car drives faster than the speed limit each day, some more so than others, it's not big or clever but it is reality.

As a motorcyclist I am aware that in an accident bikes always lose, a speeding biker takes their own life in their hands as soon as they pull on a helmet, there is a very simple way to stop a new rider speeding and it involves taking them to a mortuary to look at some bits left over after a fatal collision.

The sentence and fine this young man recieves will stem from a desire to raise money for central gov and will have nothing to do with a common sense criminal justice system and sensible preventative Policing.

To those who are proud about not having received points after years of driving it's simply the case that you haven't been caught not that you are in some way a better driver than others.

Accept that traffic offending is percieved as a cat and mouse game, offer decent advice and stop wallowing in sanctimony.

[mrbadexample]

You sure about that? He's only had the bike licence 8 months so he still qaulifies for the "6 points in 2 years = ban and retest".

The fact he committed the act prior to getting the car category added is irrelevent. You get one licence. Whatever class vehicle you get prosecuted with affects everything else on that licence even if it was added before.

I'm not so sure. :think:

He has passed his car test since committing the offence, and thus demonstrated his competence to drive safely. There wouldn't be a lot of point in making him take the test again. I suppose he could be required to retake his bike test (unless he was on L-plates and hadn't passed in the first place?) :confused:

[lemmings999]

You sure about that? He's only had the bike licence 8 months so he still qaulifies for the "6 points in 2 years = ban and retest".

The fact he committed the act prior to getting the car category added is irrelevent. You get one licence. Whatever class vehicle you get prosecuted with affects everything else on that licence even if it was added before.

you are more than likely wrong there as more likely the person in question only had a cbt and not a full license for the bike (as is allowed) and therefore the 6 points in 2 years doesnt apply
as the 6 points in 2 years if from date of full license and he was on a provisional however if he now recieves ANY more pionts in the next 2 years an he now has a full license he will then be banne

[louidog]

This might be a useful place to visit.....

http://forums.pepipoo.com/

[Big_Bob_999]

kimevan- Not sure what your commute to work is like, but his is from one side of city to other thru it, and 1 1/2 hr is journey round trip but on bad day its that time 1 way. Of approx 20 miles each way.On a 100cc bike

Lemmings999 I understand you be to correct as only had cbt bike then later full car

[milkydrink]

kimevan- Not sure what your commute to work is like, but his is from one side of city to other thru it, and 1 1/2 hr is journey round trip but on bad day its that time 1 way. Of approx 20 miles each way.On a 100cc bike

Lemmings999 I understand you be to correct as only had cbt bike then later full car

You could drive 20 miles across London in less than that, is it London?