Calling Ted Hutchinson!

[Beatrix Kiddo]

Ted, I need you to guide me through the maze of info out there on the internet.

What supplements, lifestyle advice etc etc is scientifically recommended to increase fertility and the chance of conception?

There are tons of sites out there with info, but I cannot see what is fact, and what is old wives tale.

Please help!

(PS this is moneysaving as it's got to be cheaper than IVF lol)

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Ted, I need you to guide me through the maze of info out there on the internet.

What supplements, lifestyle advice etc etc is scientifically recommended to increase fertility and the chance of conception?

There are tons of sites out there with info, but I cannot see what is fact, and what is old wives tale.

Please help!

(PS this is moneysaving as it's got to be cheaper than IVF lol)Too late tonight far too big a subject but I bet everyone can predict one subject that will be explored in full it affects the sperm and the target that the sperm hits so is absolutely fundamental to improved fertility. I'll give you three guesses. No one will do. but there is a lot more to it so hopefully, after I've done my tax self asssessment I'll try and fill you in. It is cheap so very moneysaving I promise.

[shokadelika]

Do you avoid the Sun ?Herbal supplement Agnus Castus has shown good results and vitamin D. A good antioxidant multi vit/mineral would also maybe help.
This seems like good advice http://marilynglenville.com/infertility.htm

[sunnydays]

:) Hi seen these vitamins called clearblue in the chemist the other day think they help fertility but have no proof of this, might help.

[Mrs pbradley936]

A relation of mine went through fertility treatment and I used to go along to the clinic with her. First they have to establish the problem/s. Are the couple producing eggs and sperm? If not they start looking to help there, perhaps with ovulation assistance.

If they are producing eggs and sperm is there something stopping them meeting? Such as blocked fallopian tubes.

If the eggs and sperm are meeting and resulting in a would be pregnancy, is there a problem with the woman failing to carry to term (the whole 9 months).

You can help yourself by being sure that you are as healthy as you can be and having sex around the middle of your cycle but after several months of trying and nothing happening you might want to seek professional advice.

[sainthalo]

cut out all transfats from the female diet

[SmileyHappyBeing]

A good site is babycentre.co.uk, its got loads of articles, and a forum for ppl trying, ppl who've had them, ppl with problems etc so u can speak to ppl who are in the same situation as you and ask whats worked for them etc...
When me and my oh were trying to conceive it was great having the support and all the articles etc, Good luck to you x

[shokadelika]

See the BBC truth about food about male sperm and how two smoothies a day can protect sperm/egg DNA and one couple became pregnant after everything else failed. you can watch it here if you missed it its the sexy episode with Vic Reeves
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/

[Ted_Hutchinson]

cut out all transfats from the female dietI will get back to this thread later but I've been out a lot just lately and out again tonight.
In the mean time Food fats threaten women's fertility
They can increase the risk of fertility problems by 70 per cent or more. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk:80/pages/live/articles/health/womenfamily.html?in_article_id=430111&in_page_id=1799)

[Beatrix Kiddo]

Thanks for all the answers so far............... :)

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Thanks for all the answers so far............... :)I haven't forgotten you. Just been out every night this week and had other stuff to sort as well.

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Before I start on my vitamins and supplement suggestions for moneysaving wannabe parents I'd like to draw you attention to

Melatonin hormone profile in infertile males. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16371109&query_hl=35&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Weston Price Fertility Awareness, Food, and Night-Lighting (http://www.westonaprice.org/women/fertility.html)

Effects of melatonin in perimenopausal and menopausal women: a randomized and placebo controlled study. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11226744&query_hl=29&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Melatonin-dependent infertility. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=10362288&query_hl=29&itool=pubmed_docsum%5B/url)
Effects of melatonin on the ovarian response to pinealectomy or continuous light in female rats: similarity with polycystic ovary syndrome. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15264005&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Melatonin and its role in human reproduction (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12722474&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum)
I feel it may be the case that too many younger people go to bed too late, don't sleep in totally dark bedrooms and also don't get up early in the morning or get outside into bright light soon enough.

Ideally you should have as many hours sleep before midnight as after but I realise getting up at five in the morning is not going to be popular. However there isn't any reason why you shouldn't apply the following regime

From 8pm only use subdued lighting
Go to bed as early as you can before 10pm if possible.
Eliminate all light from the bedroom including digital clocks/radio displays etc
Ensure the curtains are closed and shut out any street lighting completely.
Don't put the light on at all during the night. If you need the loo then feel your way or use a very dim torch.
Wake up to light, maybe borrow one of those Sunrise Alarm (http://www.boots.com/shop/product_details.jsp?productid=1028767&classificationid=1034586&wblinktype=RELPL)
Have something as bright as this Tasklight (http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101442&ts=13122&id=19417)in your kitchen to make sure you breakfast in a room as bright as you can possibly bear.While the evidence shows dealing with Vitamin D insufficiency by using an effective amount to raise your status (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed) is the most cost effective way of dealing with SAD, in this case getting your ovulatory cycle operating properly depends to some extent on having Melatonin at night and No Melatonin during the Day. So encouraging Melatonin production in the evening and during the night by the measures detailed above and switching it off by increasing use of bright light early in the day may do just this.

But remember I have no medical qualifications or experience and this is not, cannot be considered medical advice but it may be moneysaving. As it isn't going to cost much.

[Cooperation]

Ted, I need you to guide me through the maze of info out there on the internet.

What supplements, lifestyle advice etc etc is scientifically recommended to increase fertility and the chance of conception?

There are tons of sites out there with info, but I cannot see what is fact, and what is old wives tale.

Please help!

(PS this is moneysaving as it's got to be cheaper than IVF lol)

Good gracious me! You invite the world (on this virtually unregulated forum) to comment on your infertility?

Just read this article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,20169-2038631,00.html and avoid the dangers (and expense) of inexpert advice!

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Life Extension suggestions. (http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2003/jul2003_report_male_02.html)
Avoid cigarettes and all tobacco products
Avoid alcohol, or at least no more than two drinks/day
Increase consumption of organically grown fruits and vegetables, especially cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and brussel sprouts
Increase consumption of food containing essential fatty acids, such as wild (not farm-raised) salmon, mackerel, sardines, nuts, avocados and olives)
Dairy products in moderation, and only from organic sources that do not use hormones, pesticides or herbicides
Daily antioxidant complex that includes 250 to 500 mg of vitamin C (best in time relese formulations) and
400 to 800 I.U. of vitamin E (in the form of mixed tocopherols and toco-trienols)Holland and Barrett £2.90 100 @200i.u (http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product.asp?xs=5D8EB4F8F7A8403DAE73A4061A6C35AB&np=6&Page=6&sid=0#CID69)
Zinc-30 mg/day to no more than 60mg/day
Selenium-200 mcg/day
Arginine-2 to 4 gms/day
Daily Vitamin B complex that contains at least 400 mcg of folic acid
Carnitine (either L-carnitine or acetyl-l-carnitine) 500 to 1000 mg three times a day £7.45 90@500mg (http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?shopingpage&cartnumber=1786c&currency=Pounds%20Sterling&swords=Acetyl-L-Carnitine)
CoQ-10 30 to 100 mg/dayProposed Treatments for Male Infertility (http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=7e9094f4-c284-4b3a-8f7c-867fd12b36ee&chunkiid=21723)
Lycopene Fights Infertility: article (http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=news&dbid=59#article)
This study demonstrates that spermatozoa of asthenozoospermic men have lower levels of PUFA compared with saturated fatty acids (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16961570&query_hl=53&itool=pubmed_docsum) Cod Liver Oil Liquid - St Clements (http://www.healthspan.co.uk/shop/product.aspx?Id=CODL)
The role of food supplements in the treatment of the infertile man. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14656398&query_hl=53&itool=pubmed_docsum)

It's amazing what you learn on these hunts for information. I found this (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=17085725&query_hl=56&itool=pubmed_docsum)fascinating I suspect (just thinking aloud) that this may explain why Sperm have Vit D receptors. I know this paper applies to animals but I bet a similar process of seminal signalling applies to humans as well.
Please regard this a work in progress. I'll probably add more as I find it. Will now start on the other half.

Jarring Result: Extreme biking can hurt men's fertility (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20021207/f!!!.asp)

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Vitamin d may play a role (http://mend.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/19/9/2222)


Vitamin D and calcium dysregulation in the polycystic ovarian syndrome. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=10433180&query_hl=24&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Natural Solutions to Infertility (http://www.marilynglenville.com/infertility.htm)

Role of oxidative stress in female reproduction. (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=16018814)

To add to the above information about Vitamin d3 shows the importance of Vitamin d status at the time of conception is reflected in the Risk of Preterm Birth. (http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/dh/5015)
As it costs so little to have the same vit d status in Winter as in Summer the frequency of this possible adverse outcome may be reduced.
BIO-TECH Pharmacal Inc. (http://www.bio-tech-pharm.com/products/d35.html)The best source for vitamin D3 cholecalciferol

[Ted_Hutchinson]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,20169-2038631,00.html and avoid the dangers (and expense) of inexpert advice!I do wish journalists and those reporting as facts their rantings would take the trouble to check their sources before they write tripe. A few seconds will find more than one citation (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=underwear+sperm&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N) and simply supports the overheating theory as one of the causes of poor sperm quality.

Edit: As I don't want to take this thread off topic with an unnecessary argument with the author of #17 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=4152211&postcount=17) I would like to point out Suzi Godson says common myths are often derived from obscure studies that have little or no relevance to him or his life.
For example, infertile men are often advised not to wear Y-fronts because they heat up the testicles, but as it turns out, this information originated from a small Dutch study showing that tight leather trousers and tight plastic underpants negatively affected sperm quality, but only when worn together, not alone. While it is true that this effect may be overstated, a reading of all the papers on this topic, not just one, will be sufficient to convinced a less biased reader that there is some truth behind the advice to not get that area overheated either by wearing polyester, tight underpants or spending too long in a sedentary position. The process of spermatogenesis liberates significant heat and the scrotum has a role in body thermoregulation. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=17011725&query_hl=13&itool=pubmed_docsum) shows the argument is not over.
The cost implications are insignificant, the risks nill, so given no risk/no cost the best bet option is not to pay attention to lazy journalists who don't check their sources and don't present balanced conclusions.

Further Edit here as I don't want this thread to be derailed by arguing a trivial point arising from this comment " You have read them all! I am impressed!". Why can't you see that you don't have to read all of them to see there are sufficient papers by reputable scientists considering the matter of scrotum temperature and it's affect on sperm, to correct the reports claim that this is simply myth and/or has little or no relevance.
It follows that information leading men to avoid getting overheated is potentially more useful than implying, erroneously, that this is simply myth and/or has little or no relevance.

I only believe stuff that has good up to date scientific research to support it. Most of the information I provide comes from Pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed) If you regard the latest science as ghobbledegook or phony' I really don't know why you bother to read my posts. Try using the User CP (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/usercp.html) Buddy / Ignore Lists (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/profile.html?do=editlist)facility it saves a lot of irritation.

[shokadelika]

[QUOTE=Cooperation]I think a journalist on a well-respected newspaper will take time to research before writing such an article. At no time does the Times journalist claim that overheating does not affect sperm quality. He simply makes reference to research that show tight underpants alone does not affect sperm quality. At no point does he state that overheating does not reduce sperm quality!



The Journalist you refer to as "He" is called SUZI :rolleyes:

(Suzi God Son actually a strange coincidence!!??)



If you want to use citations, actually use ones that you have read and actually support your argument that others 'write tripe'![/QUOTE


As you say "actually read?!"

It helps to get the (reporters) Sex right especially when you are trying to concieve..................... I guess !

[Paul Varjak]

... and ghobbledegook!

Anyway, Ted, you may be a 'phony' - but at least you are a 'real phony' - for believing all the phony rubbish you believe in!

[Paul Varjak]

Try using the User CP (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/usercp.html) Buddy / Ignore Lists (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/profile.html?do=editlist)facility it saves a lot of irritation.

Irritaion-saving = time-saving = money-saving!

[mr_rush]

'I only believe stuff that has good up to date scientific research to support it. Most of the information I provide comes from Pubmed'

the majority of papers are accesible through Pubmed. Doesn't mean they are any good. You do not have access to most top quality journals as they are password protected - the New England Journal of Medicine, BMJ, Nature, Science...

'I really don't know why you bother to read my posts' for amusement purposes only

[Paul Varjak]

'I only believe stuff that has good up to date scientific research to support it. Most of the information I provide comes from Pubmed'

the majority of papers are accesible through Pubmed. Doesn't mean they are any good. You do not have access to most top quality journals as they are password protected - the New England Journal of Medicine, BMJ, Nature, Science...

'I really don't know why you bother to read my posts' for amusement purposes only


Ted, mr_rush is a doctor!

[shokadelika]

Ted, mr_rush is a doctor!

How Do you know ?? because he claims to be one ?I may be a Doctor too!.

[shokadelika]

'I only believe stuff that has good up to date scientific research to support it. Most of the information I provide comes from Pubmed'

the majority of papers are accesible through Pubmed. Doesn't mean they are any good. You do not have access to most top quality journals as they are password protected - the New England Journal of Medicine, BMJ, Nature, Science...

'I really don't know why you bother to read my posts' for amusement purposes only


So therefore you must have access to the journals above to be able to refute the information published on Pubmed !?


remember when everyone thought (was told) the World was flat.

[Paul Varjak]

I may be a Doctor too!.


RAOTFLOL!!!

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Thought I'd add these links to the BBC Truth about food series.

Can diet improve a man's sperm? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/spermrace?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1)
Can food change the flavour of seminal fluid? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/spermtaste?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1) (Warning: This film may offend) Not related to fertility
Do women eat less on a date with a man they fancy? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/eatlady?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1) Quite amusing but again not really relevant to this thread.
Can a change in diet transform a woman's mood? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/pms?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1) this is the PMS programme showing the importance of Vit D ,OMEGA 3 AND CALCIUM.
Can the smell of food get blood moving to the penis? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/smellarousal?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1) Don't think this is going to be terribly helpful.
Do aphrodisiacs really work? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/aphrodisiacs?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1)
Is garlic a natural cure for male impotence? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/flashapp/ram/garlic?size=16x9&bgc=000000&nbram=1&bbram=1nbwm=1&bbwm=1)

[the devil made me do it]

Ted, mr_rush is a doctor!

A doctor of what??? :D


Anyway Ted keep up the good work, at least your putting the effort in to help someone by looking for info.

[Beatrix Kiddo]

Thanks for all the helpful links and comments, it is much appreciated.

Perhaps the bickering could be taken elsewhere?

[Paul Varjak]

A doctor of what???

MEDICINE. SHO Post MRCP. London Teaching Hospital

[shokadelika]

RAOTFLOL!!!

Pardon! Could you please translate?

[Paul Varjak]

Pardon! Could you please translate?

Roll about on the floor, laughing out loud.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=RAOTFLOL&meta=

[shokadelika]

Roll about on the floor, laughing out loud.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=RAOTFLOL&meta=

Sorry I went to University !:A