Don't Laugh - Colonic in London?

[ChipPan]

anybody had experience of getting a colonic irrigation therapy and can recommend someone in London? Have read mostly positive reviews on other sites on the 'net and also endorsed by Dr Gillian.

Thanks in advance

[Nile]

Hello ChipPan

Your thread will be better placed in the 'Health' board, so I'll move it across.

Hi, Martin’s asked me to post this in these circumstances: I’ve asked Board Guides to move threads if they’ll receive a better response elsewhere(please see this rule (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=1009335#post1009335)) so this post/thread has been moved to another board, where it should get more replies. If you have any questions about this policy please email abuse@moneysavingexpert.com (abuse@moneysavingexpert.com).

Regards

Nile

[Plum Pie]

I've had it done twice and don't recommend it as a procedure. The first time it didn't do anything, (I was told when you're new to it you should have 3 done fairly close together in time.) The second time it made me constipated afterwards and I threw up during. I'm sorry this is so disgusting but you should be warned. It didn't affect my appetite or decrease bloating or increase energy.

I would imagine there are some people reading this and laughing and I say 'too right'. The human body has evolved to work a certain way - in, out etc and I'm embarassed that I temporarily forgot this. G McK is not a doctor and most people who recommend colonics are not doctors either.

My money saving-saving advice re colonics is: don't waste your cash.

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Colonic hydrotherapy is practised widely in the UK (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15206969&query_hl=7&itool=pubmed_DocSum) with an estimated 5600 procedures carried out by ACH practitioners monthly. It is not known how much activity is carried out by non-ACH members. ACH practitioners appear to be well trained and a proportion have medical backgrounds. Clients, who are often unhappy with orthodox medicine seem satisfied enough with the experience of colonic hydrotherapy to undergo regular purgings. No serious side-effects have been reported to us. Economic factors could be a driving force for the continuation of the practice as the monies earnt are not inconsiderable

Colonic irrigation and the theory of autointoxication: a triumph of ignorance over science. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=9252839&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_docsum)Autointoxication is an ancient theory based on the belief that intestinal waste products can poison the body and are a major contributor to many, if not all, diseases. In the 19th century, it was the ruling doctrine of medicine and led "colonic quackery" in various guises. By the turn of the century, it had received some apparent backing from science. When it became clear that the scientific rationale was wrong and colonic irrigation was not merely useless but potentially dangerous, it was exposed as quackery and subsequently went into a decline. Today we are witnessing a resurgence of colonic irrigation based on little less than the old bogus claims and the impressive power of vested interests. Even today's experts on colonic irrigation can only provide theories and anecdotes in its support. It seems, therefore, that ignorance is celebrating a triumph over science.

[alared]

In the old days it was called an enema and avoided like the plague.
Nowadays people are quite willing to pay good money to have a hosepipe shoved up their *rses.
UNBELIEVABLE!

[Ted_Hutchinson]

In the old days it was called an enema and avoided like the plague.
Nowadays people are quite willing to pay good money to have a hosepipe shoved up their *rses.
UNBELIEVABLE!Enema fest (http://www.efest.org/) I think this may underlie the reason why so many people going back for more.

[ChipPan]

bump for this

have trawled thru the internet and found £70-£100 but not sure which one to go for, any recommendations?

[Ted_Hutchinson]

bump for this

have trawled thru the internet and found £70-£100 but not sure which one to go for, any recommendations?Depends on whether or not you'd prefer to waste £0 --£70 or £100 or maybe if you find it sexualy satisfying how much you consider that much sexual satisfaction is worth paying for.

But there is no scientific medical evidence that it does any good healthwise and so as this is a MONEYSAVING HEALTH forum the answer is not waste any of your money at all but I appreciate it may be a matter of sexual justification and for these matters of sexual satisfaction it's more personal preference than value for money.

The report below found little to worry about so it's up to you which is likely to turn you on the most. None are going to help your health.

[ChipPan]

Depends on whether or not you'd prefer to waste £0 --£70 or £100 or maybe if you find it sexualy satisfying how much you consider that much sexual satisfaction is worth paying for.

But there is no scientific medical evidence that it does any good healthwise and so as this is a MONEYSAVING HEALTH forum the answer is not waste any of your money at all but I appreciate it may be a matter of sexual justification and for these matters of sexual satisfaction it's more personal preference than value for money.

The report below found little to worry about so it's up to you which is likely to turn you on the most. None are going to help your health.

?? Your post doesn't really deserve a reply as it is nothing more than an unreasoned, unbalanced and totally misinformed view. Whatever prejudice you may have against such alternative medical treatment - I did ask for any recommendations from pple who have had EXPERIENCE of this.

[Gabriel-Ernest]

I think you're being rather offensive, Ted; no-one questions your personal enthusiasm for choosing to shove pills down your throat. ChipPan is far more likely to be motivated by health and well-being considerations and exploring possible avenues for that (even if you do find that a spurious direction) than sexual stimulation. You owe him/her an apology for the tone of your post, in my opinion.

[ChipPan]

I think you're being rather offensive, Ted; no-one questions your personal enthusiasm for choosing to shove pills down your throat. ChipPan is far more likely to be motivated by health and well-being considerations and exploring possible avenues for that (even if you do find that a spurious direction) than sexual stimulation. You owe him/her an apology for the tone of your post, in my opinion.

Thanks Gabriel, I'm still a bit shell-shocked from his comments - don't really know what to make of it TBH

[Gabriel-Ernest]

don't really know what to make of it TBH

Whatever you do, don't mention Vitamin D ....

I've considered colonic irrigation but never taken the plunge (so to speak). I'm not convinced there are any health benefits, although a friend has had it done and said she felt 'clearer' afterwards. When I had a colonoscopy, I had to follow a clear liquid diet and purging tablets for two days before, and it's true that my digestive system seemed happier and I felt quite serene. As doing things to bottoms tends to be quite a taboo subject, you'll get a variety of opinions on here. If it's still on, you might want to watch a TV programme called 'Spa of Embarassing Illnesses' which does feature colonic irrigation quite graphically. Just don't watch it while you're eating!

[Ted_Hutchinson]

?? Your post doesn't really deserve a reply as it is nothing more than an unreasoned, unbalanced and totally misinformed view. Whatever prejudice you may have against such alternative medical treatment - I did ask for any recommendations from pple who have had EXPERIENCE of this.My posts are always based on the latest scientific understandings as published in medical journals that are peer reviewed by experts in the field before and after publication. If you know better about the benefits of this process than detailed in message #4 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=3945972&postcount=4) then post links to them so we can see who has an unreasoned, unbalanced and totally misinformed view but do make sure your evidence has been published in the medical press and can be supported by logical arguement.

[ChipPan]

My posts are always based on the latest scientific understandings as published in medical journals that are peer reviewed by experts in the field before and after publication. If you know better about the benefits of this process than detailed in message #4 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=3945972&postcount=4) then post links to them so we can see who has an unreasoned, unbalanced and totally misinformed view but do make sure your evidence has been published in the medical press and can be supported by logical arguement.

You posted a couple of paragraphs on this treatment - unreferenced, on this thread, and claim that it is a waste of money.

Not only that, but you have made inappropriate suggestions as to myself or anybody who tries this treatment. To any layperson, comments such as yours would be deemed highly offensive.

[Gabriel-Ernest]

Actually, ChipPan, Ted has linked to a couple of reports from the National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health; he does usually provide reputable links. Having said that, his link to a dubious fetish site is inappropriate for this forum. The personal comments he made remain unnecessary.

[Ted_Hutchinson]

I think you're being rather offensive, Ted; no-one questions your personal enthusiasm for choosing to shove pills down your throat. ChipPan is far more likely to be motivated by health and well-being considerations and exploring possible avenues for that (even if you do find that a spurious direction) than sexual stimulation. You owe him/her an apology for the tone of your post, in my opinion.No one has mentioned shoving pills down your throat and I only do when there is GOOD UP TO DATE PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED EVIDENCE to support those pills.

Anyone who wants to be ill may continue to suffer but WHEN there is GOOD published peer reviewed evidence supporting a particular line of treatment it is STUPID to ignore it just because medical opinion has not yet taken that research on board. Just searching last years publications for Vitamin d produces 16,600 (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=vitamin+d&as_ylo=2006&as_yhi=&btnG=Search) returns and most of them are positive. In the same time span a mere209 for Colonic Irrigation (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=colonic+irrigation&hl=en&lr=&as_ylo=2006&start=10&sa=N) and none of them look very promising.

I feel that using medical evidence to make sensible moneysaving health related decisions is what this site is about. I cannot see the point in suggesting people have medical interventions for which there isn't one shred of medical research to support that intervention. There is a lot of evidence online that some people have enemas for sexual gratification. That is a choice they can make as adults but it isn't a health related decision and I don't think it's worthy of spending my time researching.

[Gabriel-Ernest]

You're missing the point; you have explicitly and rudely written that ChipPan is a fetishist looking for sexual gratification. If you cannot understand why that is offensive, you are not fit to post here.

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Not only that, but you have made inappropriate suggestions as to myself or anybody who tries this treatment. To any layperson, comments such as yours would be deemed highly offensive.That simply isn't true, if you weren't aware that enemas are a turn on for some I'm sorry but it doesn't take a lot of finding if your PC hasn't got an inappropriate content filter.

A hint of the nature was given in a previous reply of mine. I make no judgements and I can't really see why anyone would be bothered as it's all legal and done in a way that doesn't cause any risk to health. If it leaves folk with a smile on the faces what's the harm but this is a HEALTH forum and it appears irresponsible to me to encourage folk to do anything health related that hasn't got GOOD SCIENTIFIC medical justification.

I still can't see what Gabriel is on about in post 17. If it makes you happy whats the problem? When there is proper evidence and logical reasons for it then I'll be able to post more supportive opinions but I simply report what I find.

[flutterbybutterfly]

anybody had experience of getting a colonic irrigation therapy and can recommend someone in London? Have read mostly positive reviews on other sites on the 'net and also endorsed by Dr Gillian.

Thanks in advance

I would look at http://www.colonic-association.org/ or other colonic hydrotherapist associations. Make sure you're getting a well qualified and experienced therapist.

[flutterbybutterfly]

I think everyone is entitled to their view and putting across an arguement for or against is healthy debate, but, I am highly offended by Ted_Hutchinson's insinuations about the links between colonic irrigation and sexual gratification.

In my opinion Ted has gone beyond that in as far as to make a slurr against anyone who is interested in colonic hydrotherapy. It is a split camp on this therapy, and there are as many proponents from genuine medical fields as there are oponents.

By all means put your objective opinions across but when you start to become dictatorial and subjective then you loose all my respect for your argument!

Oh and by the way some NHS areas have funding for Colonic Irrigation...!

[Ted_Hutchinson]

Ibut, I am highly offended by Ted_Hutchinson's insinuations about the links between colonic irrigation and sexual gratification.are you trying to claim there isn't an element who do this for sexual gratification. If you are then PM me and I'll send you some links to demonstrate you are exceedingly naive.
Oh and by the way some NHS areas have funding for Colonic Irrigation...!True they also offer other alternative therapies that are not evidence based. That is the way the NHS is going. It is becoming market orientated as a preliminary to privatisation. That is no reason for us to lose all sense of reality. You can believe in fairies if you like. When I see peer reviewed published evidence I will consider that evidence and make my mind up but I do like to see some logical reasoning and hopefully some evidence first. When you show me some I MAY pay attention but if you want more stuff on the sexual gratification side of this argument I have absolutely no trouble in sending you masses of it if you genuinely can't find it yourself.

But I still don't see what your problem with this is.

If there isn't any science behind it why do people do it. Because they enjoy it plain and simple, Nowt wrong with that.

You pays your money and you have a nice time and you feel better for it.

Fine you may have a massage for the same reason. I expect you can get that on the NHS to for certain conditions but I can find you evidence based research to support that and a Scholar search produces 3,340 results and quite a few look interesting and hopeful.

It is the total lack of research supporting CI that bothers me and I really don't think in a MONEYSAVING HEALTH forum it has any place at all. It may be all right in the Discussion forum where discussion of non medical advice is a plenty but I cannot see any justification at all for it here on health grounds. If you think it's a health matter you need to be able to provide some published medical evidence before I will be convinced.

[ChipPan]

Obviously I don't know you personally Ted, but you have definitely lowered the tone of this Thread and this forum by making your biased and sick comments.

You may point to there being no medical evidence to CI but I can also point to an overwhelming majority of recommendations from various sites and forums that say this has been a great treatment for such diseases as IBS, or even as part of a de-tox.

[Ice Queen 112]

In my view, the wording of the original post "Have read mostly positive reviews on other sites on the 'net and also endorsed by Dr Gillian" to me encouraged comments about the efficacy/validity of this form of therapy which Ted gave in his post 4. I don't necessarily agree with Ted that the majority of people who go in for CI do it for sexual gratification, but I certainly don't think his comments have been biased or sick, and as for dubious fetish site, it would take you several clicks through the menu of that site to work out what its subject matter actually was. It's all too easy on a chat forum to end up having a verbal slanging match over perceived "slights" or "insults" which are in reality no such thing.