View Full Version : Speeding fine - what happens next?
UK007BullDog
03-01-2007, 2:19 PM
Just would like some advice and what the procedure is.
Have been driving 18 years and this is my first ever speeding fine, never had any points on my licence and have never had any other problems except for a parking fine for coming 2 minutes too late to move the car about 3 years ago.
I was doing 36 in a 30 MPH zone. I drive that road about 3 to 4 times a year and have never before seen a camera there.
Anyway I am not going to contest it, as its pointless. What is the next procedure? As the car is registered in Hubbies name he has to let them know it was me driving. Supposedly they have technical & photographic evidence (why dont they send that with the letter?).
Once he has filled out the form and sent it back to them what happens next? Will I just get a fine or will they give me points and I have to go to court?
No need for any criticisms of my driving please.
Thank you.
David B
03-01-2007, 2:23 PM
Fine of £60 (if not changed) and 3 ponts I belive. I got one 2 years ago.
The registered keeper will get a letter to which you say who was driving and whether you accepted or not.
You can op out of going to court and let then completed it for you. Like you say no point in fighting as you'll just end up with extra court costs on top in my view.
Try http://www.direct.gov.uk/TravelAndTransport/TrafficManagement/TrafficManagementArticles/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=10025598&chk=ndi8sL and scroll down a little.
wacko911
03-01-2007, 2:24 PM
You get a fine, with 30-60 days to pay, send off your licence and it comes back with 3 new shiney points on it.
You dont go to court unless you want to contest it. All done via the post usually.
I respect you not wanting to contest it, but there are some good loopholes out there if you know where to look.
pigeonpants
03-01-2007, 2:48 PM
Some consideration before contesting, I sent the court my mitigation for non payment of a fixed penalty as I had been to New Zealand for 4 weeks after the offence. Despite the fact I produced my licence to my local police station and informed them I would not be able to send my licence off until my return from NZ as I required it for car Hire. This was accepted and logged, the court accepted this as it was confirmed by the Police station. End result £240 + £50 costs and 5 points on my licence!!!! Not bad for my first offence of any kind!!
hjb123
03-01-2007, 7:08 PM
When I got done for speeding coming up 4 years since the car I was driving was in my brothers name. If I remember rightly the letter came through to say that the car had been caught speeding then he had to send it off and say that it was me that had been speeding. I then got a letter through and had to send it off with a copy of my driving license, both the paper part and the photocard and it came back with 3 points on the paper part. I also had to send the cheque for £60 when I admitted the speeding!
Minky2Slice
03-01-2007, 8:02 PM
does anyone know how long it takes for the letter to be sent out, i was caught speeding about roughly 3 weeks ago and not received anything
chuckles1066
03-01-2007, 8:06 PM
does anyone know how long it takes for the letter to be sent out, i was caught speeding about roughly 3 weeks ago and not received anything
They have to inform you within 14 days.
But it gets messy over Christmas with all the non-working days..............
UK007BullDog
04-01-2007, 8:57 AM
Chuckles:
I got caught on the 19th Dec and the letter is dated 2 Jan. So I guess it is within the 14 days with Christmas and New year.
On a nother website I read that sometimes speeders can get a notice up to 2 months later. I also read that some speeders get just fined and no points if they have never had anything before. Its like a warning shot. I think 3 points for going 6MPH over the limit is pretty harsh. I would think 1 point is more in order.
Hubby wants to contest it and ask for evidence. I know I drove there at that time and was going Christmas shopping. Told him of others experience and what I read on the websites. Don't have time to go to court and such so will just pay up. What are 4 years anyway? Before I know it they are over.
I might not even bother getting them removed from the licence in for yours time as it will probably cost me to do so, right?
hjb123
04-01-2007, 9:00 AM
Yeah it costs you to get them removed.
I know 3 points and 60 pound does seem harsh - I was 7mph over but in the end I was over the limit and just paid up.
I havent heard of some people just getting fined and no points as they have never had anything before - I never had anything before and I still got both!
Ivrytwr3
04-01-2007, 9:07 AM
In my local constabulary there is an initiative going on where you still have to pay the fine but instead of points you attend a speeding seminar for a few hours with others who were caught speeding.
This is only for first offenders, like the OP. It may be worth looking into if anything like this is available in your area.
Mark7799
04-01-2007, 9:13 AM
Chuckles:
I might not even bother getting them removed from the licence in for yours time as it will probably cost me to do so, right?
The DVLA quote a fee to remove the points but if you're sending the licence off for another alteration as well (e.g. change of address) then assuming the points are due to come off they'll take them off free of charge (well they did for me:D )
chuckles1066
04-01-2007, 8:01 PM
Chuckles:
I got caught on the 19th Dec and the letter is dated 2 Jan. So I guess it is within the 14 days with Christmas and New year.
Hubby wants to contest it and ask for evidence. I know I drove there at that time and was going Christmas shopping. Told him of others experience and what I read on the websites. Don't have time to go to court and such so will just pay up. What are 4 years anyway? Before I know it they are over.
For 36 in a 30 then your hubby is right.............definitely plead not guilty and demand sight of the "evidence" together with the relevant camera's calibration certificate.
Examine the photographs v-e-r-r-r-y carefully and check the digital timestamps to ensure they've calculated your "speed" correctly.
Good luck!
roger56
04-01-2007, 8:15 PM
Chuckles:
.... I think 3 points for going 6MPH over the limit is pretty harsh. I would think 1 point is more in order....
I'm not with you on that for a 30MPH zone, it could be life or death to a child or elderly person.
http://www.cheshirefire.co.uk/uploadedDocs/Generic_PDFs/SPEED%20KILLS.pdf
No criticism of OP implied or intended.
UK007BullDog
04-01-2007, 10:34 PM
I understand that but it was sort of a country road. On both sides are fields! No pedestrian crossings etc. That road connects two commuter settlements. No houses, no nothing. It is actually a trap thinking about it now as the roads leading to that one are 40 MPH limits. Like I said never before seen any camera there. Probably another revenue drive by the broke Government.
Equinut
05-01-2007, 1:49 PM
there must be an allowance of around 2mph for each individual car's speedometer, as they can vary in exactitude, i think.
i got done twice last year, but then i was doing 60 in a 50 both times so 10mph above can't really quibble.
unless it's easy (and quick) for you to get the pics and proof off them, if i were you i'd just accept the fine and points and be careful next time, unless you are 100% convinced you have them bang to rights on it, it just won't be worth the aggro.
ajtrader100
05-01-2007, 9:00 PM
They have to inform you within 14 days.
But it gets messy over Christmas with all the non-working days..............
No they dont.......... I tried that when contesting one of mine. They have ways round it!
ajtrader100
05-01-2007, 9:03 PM
Ive been done twice.
Anyway, you get the letter. READ IT CAREFULLY, accept the fixed penalty (normally £60) and the 3 points. Fill in ALL the relevant areas, i.e. confirming who was driving at the time, make sure that the name on the letter headed to yourself matches the person who is accepting the fixed penalty if not all the paperwork comes back.
After about 3 - 4 weeks your driving card comes back, topped up with points. And your bank account gets kindly emptied of £60 GBP to fund the traffic cop who stung ya!!!
ajtrader100
05-01-2007, 9:08 PM
In my local constabulary there is an initiative going on where you still have to pay the fine but instead of points you attend a speeding seminar for a few hours with others who were caught speeding.
This is only for first offenders, like the OP. It may be worth looking into if anything like this is available in your area.
You can only go on this if it is offered to you in the letter. You cant ask for it
flang
05-01-2007, 10:08 PM
send them a cheque for 60.01p they say it really confuses the system and they cant cash the cheque!
You never know it might confuse it so much that they forget!!!
flang
05-01-2007, 10:09 PM
I have a PDF on how to avoid speeding tickets etc if anyones intrested.
pM me for details
slates
05-01-2007, 10:28 PM
I am a bit worried as think i may have got caught by a mobile camera just before the new year..Totally naffed off as the road had been changed to 30 since i last drove on it and as i was a having a tiff with the other half didnt see the sign for 30 and went pass doing 40 (which i was thinking at the tme was correct) DOH
But my main concern is that if i have been caught and with my licence having to go back will it be done before 01 Feb as i fly to NZ that day and need it for my rental van..
So waiting with baited breath...:confused:
g_attrill
05-01-2007, 11:19 PM
End result £240 + £50 costs and 5 points on my licence!!!! Not bad for my first offence of any kind!!
Presumably that for the speeding which you plead guilty to, and you were found not guilty for the failure to produce?
That would be harsh for low level speeding, but for, say, 95-105mph on a motorway, or 45-55 in a 30 that is about right. You can always appeal on the outcome of case, and unless you are very unlucky the worst is that you will have to pay the costs again.
I post a lot on the forums at http://www.pepipoo.com/ and would recommend it for all sorts of information on speeding offences and parking contraventions. For people who are willing to put in legwork the forum regulars will turn up to help defending a case.
Gareth
violetta
06-01-2007, 5:51 PM
Friend's partner caught speeding in his firm's lorry. He sent the £60 fine mistakenly with the first lot of paperwork where the firm let the police know it was him, rather than waiting for the paperwork addressed to him and asking for his licence and the fine. It confused the system so much, they returned his cheque saying he had sent it too early, and he never heard from them again with the second lot of paperwork demanding the fine and his licence.
Same bloke (does not sound fit to be driving a lorry to me) went to court when he was on 9 points already, defending himself against going through a red light (thought he might as well as if he got 3 more points he would lose his licence.) His defence was that he was driving a lorry containing chemicals that if mixed would produce mustard gas and therefore a major incident involving evacuating the area if he skidded and crashed, and he felt he was going too fast to stop at the red light due to a wet road. One of the magistrates understood some chemistry and that mixing the chemicals would be dangerous, so although he was found guilty and fined £80, he got no points because the magistrate felt he made a safer decision than trying to stop for the red light.
I must say, when I heard the story I felt he should not have been approaching traffic lights at such a speed that he could not stop, and am amazed the magistrates did not think that too.
They have to inform you within 14 days.
But it gets messy over Christmas with all the non-working days..............
They have 14 days to tell the registered keeper. Not the driver. This condition may have been complied with.
No they dont.......... I tried that when contesting one of mine. They have ways round it!
Care to elaborate? Who was the vehicle registered to?, how long was it from Date of offence to the NIP arriving?
What was your defence
What was their excuse
Did you have a solicitor? What did he advise you?
What was the courts finding?
Anyway I am not going to contest it, as its pointless. What is the next procedure? As the car is registered in Hubbies name he has to let them know it was me driving. Supposedly they have technical & photographic evidence (why dont they send that with the letter?).
It's not pointless, as I understand it a great many people are succesful with using the PACE defence - it doesn't get to court, the forum at pepipoo should be able to tell you if this is true or not.
Also because it was your hubbies car you are infact in a better position to try to go for a timeout, again the pepipoo will explain how and what is happening lately in the different constabulary areas - in terms of efficiency.
Hint: you have 28 days to respond to that NIP. ;)
UK007BullDog
06-01-2007, 8:29 PM
Thanks again, but too much hassle. I was speeding and got caught, so will pay up.
But from now on I will drive the exact speed and any driver flashing me or driving up my bumper to get me to go faster will see my finger. :rotfl:
It is so hard to keep to the exact speed limit in a sporty car. :cool:
Even then you won't be safe from scameras
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/notso.html
I always try to be below the limit
25 for a 30 zone scamera
35 for a 40 zone scamera
44 for a 50
53 for a 60
60 for a 70
If in doubt 25mph
sheryldoc
06-01-2007, 9:57 PM
Why should people avoid speeding fines/tickets? making a mockery of a law thats there to protect others.
Even 6 MPH can b the diff between life and death if you his some poor kid while acting like a !!!!.. in order to get somewhere a lil quicker!
3 points for 6mph is a lil harsh and 1st time yeah maybe 1 point a lil better but persistant offenders or those who speed excessive should jst be taken off the road end of!
Why should people avoid speeding fines/tickets? making a mockery of a law thats there to protect others.!
Why should the State be allowed to prosecute people not in accordance with the law?
sheryldoc
06-01-2007, 10:07 PM
I think its a cheek that people will knowingly put peoples lifes at risk and then have the cheek to try and get out of it, they should take some responsibility.
wouldnt b that if it was your daughter some driver smashed into would it?..
You're being overly emotional, and allowing that to cloud your judgement.
Laws have to be followed by everyone. If someone is suspected of breaking a law then there are laws that have to be followed in the investigation and prosecution of the suspect. No one is above the law. No one is guilty (or should be) without being proven guilty. When you allow the Police/Government to pass judgement with no regard to proper procedure you are on a slippery slope to a police state - miscarriage of justice. The laws are there to protect everyone.
I can equally come back at you with....."you're only happy to let the police flout the laws until they accuse you or a member of your family of a crime you did not commit. And then they try to stitch you up, falsify records and give false witness. Then will you see what your laisser faire attitude to police procedure created and once created it is nearly impossible to destroy."
UK007BullDog
07-01-2007, 7:29 PM
I think its a cheek that people will knowingly put peoples lifes at risk and then have the cheek to try and get out of it, they should take some responsibility.
wouldnt b that if it was your daughter some driver smashed into would it?..
If you would have read my posts you would see that I am taking responsibility and try not to weasel my way out of it.
However there are speed cameras in some areas that should not be there and there are some places I wonder why none have been installed as they are accident hot spots.
Repeat offenders will eventually be pulled off the road. But why someone like myself will get 3 points is ridiculous as a first offence and like I said before its not a residential road as such as there are fields and a golf course. It should be 40 MPH like it was before, but they have decided to change it and trap people. I went down that road today and could see the camera hidden behind wild growing trees. Nicely done. It will earn them a lot of revenue.
mich_city
08-01-2007, 3:13 PM
Hi all..
Think I was flashed by a speed camera whilst in Ireland, my fault entirely.. coming off a motorway which changed into a dual carriageway.. Overtook a lorry that had been overtaking me and then slowing down etc for miles.. Missed the speed sign - have a clean license
Anyone know what the procedure is with getting a fine and/or points with the difference in currency and points for speeding?
Cheers!
:-(
The advice used to be ignore anything that comes because they can't do anything. It's not as if they can take you to court is it. and if they did in your absence any ruling is not enforceable across borders.
oldbill1969
08-01-2007, 6:54 PM
I have a PDF on how to avoid speeding tickets etc if anyones intrested.
pM me for details
I know how to avoid them as well and its easier than a PDF..........Don't speed- speed kills;)
more people die unnecessarily in hospitals from poor hygiene than in road traffic accidents. Yet the government's response to prevent 5000 unnecessary deaths a year in hospitals is to tell staff how to wash their hands. Meanwhile, poorly located speed cameras fail to prevent accidents (2003 had the highest death rate since 1997) and according to police data exceeding the speed limit is the cause of only 4% of accidents. Why not refocus resources on the other 96% of causes?
mich_city
08-01-2007, 11:32 PM
The advice used to be ignore anything that comes because they can't do anything. It's not as if they can take you to court is it. and if they did in your absence any ruling is not enforceable across borders.
Thanks.. I'll just have to sit it out and see if anything comes in the post.. might get lucky.. and then again....
Think I'd have to pay it if necessary, as I travel over there often and wouldn't want any problems in the future.. Was my own stupid fault at the end of the day :confused:
ajtrader100
10-01-2007, 6:39 PM
Why should people avoid speeding fines/tickets? making a mockery of a law thats there to protect others.
Even 6 MPH can b the diff between life and death if you his some poor kid while acting like a !!!!.. in order to get somewhere a lil quicker!
3 points for 6mph is a lil harsh and 1st time yeah maybe 1 point a lil better but persistant offenders or those who speed excessive should jst be taken off the road end of!
:mad: :mad: :mad:
I work as a sales rep, 50,000 miles a year, across all types of road. This makes me sick when people say this! HOW CAN YOU AVOID GETTING SPEEDING FINES?!?!? when you do this amount of mileage...... impossible. I must pass between 15 and 50 cameras in a day.......
Doesnt everyone go a few miles over the limit at some point? Now calculate that when your doing 5 times the average mileage A YEAR, you are bound to get stung at some point.
I have been done twice, agreed I was going very quickly, however I have been repping for 5 years, times that by the mileage, I think I have got off pretty lightly.
I have done the equivalent of 25 years worth of driving! So do not have a go at people who need to drive to put food on their table.
Rant over
bergy2
11-01-2007, 6:58 PM
similar thing really after 20 years 1st ever offence
got a speeding fine for doing 61 in a 50 - its a type of dual cway on a deserted ring road - but is a 50 limit - dead frustrating but heck
anyways i sent the fixed penalty thing off and they have put 6 points on - thought it would be 3 - anyone had this b4??
bergy2
12-01-2007, 9:40 AM
ahhh it's ok - the guy wrote 06 thinking 2006 under points - happened a lot if anyone else gets worried btw
Lantana
23-01-2007, 8:58 PM
Hi everyone, a regular money savings reader but first time poster here.
I too have just received my first 'NIP' -for doing 38 mph on a 30 mph road. I have no defence and will pay up but I do have mitigating circumstances.
I wondered if anyone had ever written a letter which had been taken into consideration ...and whether it had reduced the fine or points?
I have no idea what fine and points to expect although £60 and 3 points seems to be the standard from what I have read here.
My circumstances are : my dad had died 3 days before and that day I had the task of seeing the registrar,solicitor and funeral director. This isn't meant to be a sob story but I know I wasn't quite thinking straight that day and was sure the road used to be a 40mph road. I have been a driver for 25 years and this is my first speeding offence.
nickmack
24-01-2007, 5:08 PM
I too have just received my first 'NIP' -for doing 38 mph on a 30 mph road. I have no defence and will pay up but I do have mitigating circumstances.
I wondered if anyone had ever written a letter which had been taken into consideration ...and whether it had reduced the fine or points?
I have no idea what fine and points to expect although £60 and 3 points seems to be the standard from what I have read here.
My circumstances are : my dad had died 3 days before and that day I had the task of seeing the registrar,solicitor and funeral director. This isn't meant to be a sob story but I know I wasn't quite thinking straight that day and was sure the road used to be a 40mph road. I have been a driver for 25 years and this is my first speeding offence.
Your circumstances are unfortunate, but sadly they will bear little weight in terms of mitigating circumstances. Unless there are definite problems with signage, I would be inclined to put this behind you and pay up in this case.
Lantana
24-01-2007, 5:47 PM
Thank you for taking the trouble to reply . I do admit liability and am happy to pay... I was more concerned that they would enforce the Notice of intended Prosecution and I would end up in court! I've written a covering letter and will see what happens . Many thanks !
nickmack
24-01-2007, 7:26 PM
I was more concerned that they would enforce the Notice of intended Prosecution and I would end up in court! I've written a covering letter and will see what happens
For this level of offence, you will be offered the chance to pay up. Only if you contest or don't pay will you need to go to court.
I have 10 points on my license. 7 of them are 3 years old now, but I have been told by DVLNI that they cannot come of until they are 4 years old.
if i was to get caught again (as I only need another 2 to have a total 12 point on my license) will I have my license removed?
anewman
08-02-2008, 2:15 PM
if i was to get caught again (as I only need another 2 to have a total 12 point on my license) will I have my license removed?
Do not do anything illegal and you have nothing to worry about. If you didn't learn when getting all the other points, clearly you don't deserve to be on the road. Driving is a privelige, not a right. You must obey the rules of the road. Buy yourself a copy of the highway code, it's only £2.50 and if you do everything it says nothing will ever happen to your license!
Cardelia
08-02-2008, 2:57 PM
I have 10 points on my license. 7 of them are 3 years old now, but I have been told by DVLNI that they cannot come of until they are 4 years old.
if i was to get caught again (as I only need another 2 to have a total 12 point on my license) will I have my license removed?
Under the totting up procedure, points are only counted for 3 years from the date of the offence. Provided the date of offence was the 8th Feb 2005 or before, they are no longer counted towards your total. However, they have to remain on your licence for 4 years from the date of the offence (anyone know why?) and insurance companies are allowed to ask for convictions up to 5 years after the date of the offence.
philng
16-02-2008, 10:22 AM
My mother who is 76 has just received a speeding notification in Liverpool 8/2 at 2 mins past midnight (38 in 30)-She has never driven to Liverpool and certainly wasnt out driving at midnight. What can she do to challenge this as no one else has access to the vehicle there is clearly a mistake.
bryanb
16-02-2008, 10:48 AM
Who needs a Pdf you can do it by not speeding
anewman
16-02-2008, 11:50 AM
My mother who is 76 has just received a speeding notification in Liverpool 8/2 at 2 mins past midnight (38 in 30)-She has never driven to Liverpool and certainly wasnt out driving at midnight. What can she do to challenge this as no one else has access to the vehicle there is clearly a mistake.
They either got the reg number wrong or someone has stolen your registration numbers and put them on another vehicle. Not sure who's best to contact, try pepipoo.com forums
g_attrill
18-02-2008, 2:28 AM
My mother who is 76 has just received a speeding notification in Liverpool 8/2 at 2 mins past midnight (38 in 30)-She has never driven to Liverpool and certainly wasnt out driving at midnight. What can she do to challenge this as no one else has access to the vehicle there is clearly a mistake.
Just write back explaining the situation - she can't fill in the normal form because it doesn't provide for this sort of situation. They will probably re-examine the photos and either find the number plate was mis-read (mosly likely) or the car has been cloned, in which case they will bin the notice. You want to find out if it was cloned though, because if it happens again you might need to get the DVLA to issue a new registration number otherwise you will spend the next few years writing letters to people. Also the police will need to flag it on the PNC as a clone so the other driver can be stopped if they pass through ANPR.
I have heard of the police asking for photos of the vehicle from all sides, but I think this is in marginal cases where they suspect the person might be lying.
carlsberg777
14-07-2008, 12:03 AM
I got caught speeding and was unable to send te letter off and now unable to find it to do so. i was just wondering what would happen next if i would straight away get the thousand pound fine or another letter? thankyou for your help x
banger9365
14-07-2008, 12:26 AM
court summons for S.172 unable to identify the driver( 6 points and a fine,court costs ect too)
or you mite be lucky and get a reminder after 28 days
and if your really unlucky the speeding fine and points too
not a good idea to lose the NIP
all with in the next 6 months and 28days from the date of the first offence(unless you live near hull and then i can take longer to get to you)
ring then or send a letter asking for a duplicate nipp ,if you have really lost it
6 months and 28days means 6month to lay the paper in court and 28days for you to get the sumons
NonGeographicalMan
14-07-2008, 11:21 AM
Do not do anything illegal and you have nothing to worry about. If you didn't learn when getting all the other points, clearly you don't deserve to be on the road. Driving is a privelige, not a right. You must obey the rules of the road. Buy yourself a copy of the highway code, it's only £2.50 and if you do everything it says nothing will ever happen to your license!
I would appreciate it if you would keep your sanctimonious lecturing for the next convention of www.brake.org.uk
The poster asked a pefectly factual question to which the answer is that the points don't count towards totting up 3 years after the dafe of the offence.
Given the level of camera saturation of the UK's roads I personally think anyone driving 30,000 to 40,000 miles per years is now doing miraculously well if they manage to avoid being disqualified through totting up sooner or later. And before your next gambit no I do not accept that most speed limits are sensibly set and I believe the Police should put most of their effort in to dealing with people who drive dangerously by tailgating or rushing out of side roads without looking at slow speeds in to the path of oncoming traffic. These are the people who really need to have their driving habits changed.
Parking fines seem to do a pretty good job of deterring people from parking illegally on double yellow lines etc and the current points system for speeding is very arbitrary and unfair to those who drive very high mileages on the roads.
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