Asda....parking Fine..

[kaan_is]

Need Urgent guidence....received a parking fine(£60)...
parked in "parents & toddlers"bay.Stupid! I know....but was getting late to pick up kids from School....only i bay was being used 11 were vacant....was there literally 10mins....any help welomed..thanks.:mad:

[blue_haddock]

You did it so pay up.

Simple.

[chatta]

Don't do it again?

[tonys]

From memory, I think that only Courts are legally allowed to impose fines.
Suggest you write and ask under what powers they are trying to extort
money.

[rdwarr]

Legally it's probably an excess charge rather than a fine. You seem very angry though and I hope you're more philosophical now.
Bear in mind that although bays may have been empty they would soon have been needed as it was close to end of school.

[wazza]

was there any signs stating you will be fined if illegally parked? i assume you did not go into asda to do some shopping but to pick up kids from school.

[dmg24]

I think that only Courts are legally allowed to impose fines.

Not the case I'm afraid. Other agencies can have delegated authority to impose fines, such as car parking providers.

Could have been worse - they could have towed it away!

Agree with blue_haddock ... you've admitted that you shouldn't have doneit ... so pay up!

[MrSmartprice]

Before you pay up, check on what basis they are charging you. What sanction do they have if you refuse to pay? And what signs are there to say what the charges are? They cannot simply extort money from you without a legal basis. If still unsure check with your local CAB. They may have experience of similar cases.

Just because you ignored some signs on a private car park does not mean you are necessarily required to pay up. And I believe a parking control company now requires a licence too.

[Sparky29]

You sure its not a spoof ticket? As far as I know you aren't illegally parked in a supermarket car park for parking in a mother and toddlers space or a disabled bay, just morally wrong. I find it hard to believe that Supermarkets would try to drive away customers with fines. Check its genuine before paying. I know some have time limits to stop people parking and going to work but this sounds a bit suspect.

[kaan_is]

Thankyou again for comments.....

[durain]

if supermarket dont impose fine, then everyone will just park in disable and "parents & toddlers" parking bay. those parking are there for a reason.

[cannyscot]

I take you did not have any children with you? but how would they know -sometimes my DH and I swap children at the supermarket to goto activities etc so I might come witha toddler but leave without or vice versa.

[durain]

maybe CCTV?

[hjb123]

If you didnt have children in the car and parked in one of the bays then yes you should pay up!

There have been other similar threads to this on here:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=115690
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=118495

[humfer]

Need Urgent guidence....received a parking fine(£60)...
parked in "parents & toddlers"bay.Stupid! I know....but was getting late to pick up kids from School....only i bay was being used 11 were vacant....was there literally 10mins....any help welomed..thanks.:mad:

Its not a public road/area so I would question whether they have a legal right to charge you

[humfer]

Its not a public road/area so I would question whether they have a legal right to charge you

Just read the rest of the threads and it appears they do have a right to charge. Therefore I'm afraid you will have to pay up. Its the first time I have heard of them doing it though

[hjb123]

Its all okay talking about the legal ins and outs of can they fine you - in the end they put parent and child spaces - as well as disabled spaces - there for these people to use so others shouldnt park in that and if they do they deserve to be fined!

[xzibit]

I park in the parent and child spaces lol. Got fed up with people opening their doors into my cars! So since I got my new car last october, I park in them when I go. Figure the odd £60 fine is cheaper than removing dents! Although haven't been fined.....yet!!

[hjb123]

I park in the parent and child spaces lol. Got fed up with people opening their doors into my cars! So since I got my new car last october, I park in them when I go. Figure the odd £60 fine is cheaper than removing dents! Although haven't been fined.....yet!!

I think this is the sort of attitude that spoils it for others. There are people that need to use those spaces who do actaully have children with them - or in the case of disabled people are or have disabled with them.

So how many dents have you had in your car before you starting parking in the parent and child spaces?

If people park well enough and are considerate then the car doors wont scrape the cars next to them

[kaan_is]

As i said & agreed....it was a mistake, however they could have issued me with a warning or a smaller penalty fine as this was my 1st time! Some people here need to lighten....i just asked for advice/help.It costs nothing to be nice...i suppose everyone is different...

[xzibit]

I think this is the sort of attitude that spoils it for others. There are people that need to use those spaces who do actaully have children with them - or in the case of disabled people are or have disabled with them.

So how many dents have you had in your car before you starting parking in the parent and child spaces?

If people park well enough and are considerate then the car doors wont scrape the cars next to them

I wouldn't ever consider parking in a disabled space, that's a little different. I do generally go to the supermarket late evening, so not so many children about, but still. I have had approx. 20 "dings" and a few scrapes over the last 2 years. If people park well enough and are considerate, car doors will still hit the car next to them.
I was walking to my car about 3 weeks ago, and saw a lady about 60 get out of her car. She wasn't that able on her feet, so she purposely wedged her door against the car next to hers, and put her weight on it to help her up and out of the car. The result? A nice dent and a scrape where the door had risen as she got out of the car. When questioned, she didn't seem to wanna talk about it!!!! :mad:
Sorry, but if that was my car she had just done it too, well, she'd have more than a little dent!!!!

Sorry, but people AREN'T considerate nowadays, so I will park where my car has a little more protection.

[hjb123]

I wouldn't ever consider parking in a disabled space, that's a little different.

Hows it different? It was put there to help people who need more space etc to get out of cars?


Sorry, but people AREN'T considerate nowadays, so I will park where my car has a little more protection.

Actually I can agree that people arent considerate anymore - its a pity because the world would be a much nicer place to live if they were! A small minority seem to like to spoil it for others.

[wdyw]

Have the misfortune of having a certain Asda as our closest supermarket. What I find strange is how the disabled and parent and toddler sections are so busy most of the day. Surely someone in the NHS should be investigating why certain sections of our community appear to have a much higher rate of disability than others.

[MrSmartprice]

Parking in a disabled bay without a blue badge is disgraceful, I agree. I have noticed that it is always the flash sods in their BMW, Merc or Urban Tractors that are the main offenders. There was a programme on TV recently where these idiots were parking in disabled bays to go to the gym. They were being offered a wheelchair to take them there by the show.:rotfl:

I would agree that parking in a disabled bay without a badge should result in immobilisation and a £20 release charge. But I can't get very excited about parent & child bays. Why are they so necessary? Many of their users at my local Asda have kids aged 10 or more, not babies. Once I was so appalled that I used one when there with my daughter. She is 17:D

[LittleJo]

Hi,
I think it is a contractual matter.
By accepting there offer of free car-parking, you accept there conditions.
This will no doubt include a charge, legally, but a civil matter, for breach of said contract.
EG parking inapropriately.
Jo

[xzibit]

I have always wondered. If like me, you were concerned about muppet drivers hitting your car with their doors, would it be ok to take up 2 spaces, as long as you bought 2 tickets?

[hjb123]

Parking in a disabled bay without a blue badge is disgraceful, I agree. I have noticed that it is always the flash sods in their BMW, Merc or Urban Tractors that are the main offenders. There was a programme on TV recently where these idiots were parking in disabled bays to go to the gym. They were being offered a wheelchair to take them there by the show.:rotfl:

I would agree that parking in a disabled bay without a badge should result in immobilisation and a £20 release charge. But I can't get very excited about parent & child bays. Why are they so necessary? Many of their users at my local Asda have kids aged 10 or more, not babies. Once I was so appalled that I used one when there with my daughter. She is 17:D

I totally agree with what you are saying and the line needs to be drawn at where children stop being children for the sake of parent and child bays.

Just how old would the child be to be eligible as being the child - I should of thought if the child is no longer in a pushchair? Or maybe if they are out of a pushchair you should have to have 2 children to warrant one of these spaces?

[hjb123]

I have always wondered. If like me, you were concerned about muppet drivers hitting your car with their doors, would it be ok to take up 2 spaces, as long as you bought 2 tickets?

Thats a good question! Like it!!

[Rachie B]

Parking in a disabled bay without a blue badge is disgraceful, I agree. I have noticed that it is always the flash sods in their BMW, Merc or Urban Tractors that are the main offenders. There was a programme on TV recently where these idiots were parking in disabled bays to go to the gym. They were being offered a wheelchair to take them there by the show.:rotfl:

I would agree that parking in a disabled bay without a badge should result in immobilisation and a £20 release charge. But I can't get very excited about parent & child bays. Why are they so necessary? Many of their users at my local Asda have kids aged 10 or more, not babies. Once I was so appalled that I used one when there with my daughter. She is 17:D

ever tried getting a 18 month old ,heavy ! child in a car seat through a teeeeeeny weeeeeny gap in the car door ?

you need to open the door pretty much fully to do so so need the extra wide parking parking space ;)

for those worried about getting dents in their car ,do what i do and park furthest way from the store ,not many park there so plenty of space ;)

it does however require :eek: walking more than a few steps to and from the car ;)

[Rachie B]

I totally agree with what you are saying and the line needs to be drawn at where children stop being children for the sake of parent and child bays.

Just how old would the child be to be eligible as being the child - I should of thought if the child is no longer in a pushchair? Or maybe if they are out of a pushchair you should have to have 2 children to warrant one of these spaces?


up to age 3 ish IMO :)

[itsmylife]

I always thought that parent and child spaces were really parent and baby/toddler spaces...

[morveryn]

With regard to disabled parking, to fulfil the requirements of the DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) disabled parking bays must be monitored to stop abuse of these bays (by able bodied drivers or by blue badge abuse).
If a disabled person cannot gain access to a disabled parking bay because an unentitled person is there, then they may not be able to gain access to the store and the company can be fined.
While it is not illegal to park in disabled parking bays, this is probably why the stores can fine people.
I don't know the legal side of how fines work with mother & baby bays. :)

[astonsmummy]

I totally agree with what you are saying and the line needs to be drawn at where children stop being children for the sake of parent and child bays.

Just how old would the child be to be eligible as being the child - I should of thought if the child is no longer in a pushchair? Or maybe if they are out of a pushchair you should have to have 2 children to warrant one of these spaces?

IMO it should be until the child can get in and out of the car without the help of a parent dunno wat age that is probably 3 or 4.
DS is 2 and i have a 2 door car, it's a nightmare trying to get a 2 stone lump in the car seat!
I remeber when i first had him, i wuld have the car seat in the front, and a few times had to put him in throiugh the drivers side because people park to clse, and they still do it now when there ia a great big car seat in the back:mad:
I cant bear it when i see people in p&b parking spaces when they clearly have no children and i think they should be fined

[Rachie B]

IMO it should be until the child can get in and out of the car without the help of a parent dunno wat age that is probably 3 or 4.
DS is 2 and i have a 2 door car, it's a nightmare trying to get a 2 stone lump in the car seat!
I remeber when i first had him, i wuld have the car seat in the front, and a few times had to put him in throiugh the drivers side because people park to clse, and they still do it now when there ia a great big car seat in the back:mad: I cant bear it when i see people in p&b parking spaces when they clearly have no children and i think they should be fined


who looks though ? i cant say as i ever notice if other cars have car seats in the back ?!

[chatta]

I am wondering if people are getting too precious about their cars and lifes dings, all this talk of using two spaces etc is a bit much. If you wish to spend so much money on a car why not use online shopping then you can spend the time out polishing the car for the neighbour to admire :rolleyes:

[astonsmummy]

who looks though ? i cant say as i ever notice if other cars have car seats in the back ?!

maybe it's just me but i always look just incase

[astonsmummy]

I am wondering if people are getting too precious about their cars and lifes dings, all this talk of using two spaces etc is a bit much. If you wish to spend so much money on a car why not use online shopping then you can spend the time out polishing the car for the neighbour to admire :rolleyes:

I've never had a dent or anything from parking anywhere - maybe they should look at the way THEY park?? My aunty (mad maggie of mitcham!) would puposely damage someones car if they blocked her in.
I would never drem of such thing, i would just leave a not on the windscreen politely asking them to brush up on their parking skills!:o

[wheeze]

maybe it's just me but i always look just incase

I do this too (sad I know)

Was looking at an older lady getting out of her car in a Parent and Toddler space the other day. Couldnt see a car seat.

She looked at me and my toddler and said`it's ok I have my baby with me`

.......her dog!

Just shook my head.

I also park at the back where's there more space, cant be bothered with seeing all those abusing the toddler spaces, so try my best not to look too often!

[xzibit]

I am wondering if people are getting too precious about their cars and lifes dings, all this talk of using two spaces etc is a bit much. If you wish to spend so much money on a car why not use online shopping then you can spend the time out polishing the car for the neighbour to admire :rolleyes:

Too precious? You mean that, if somebody puts a little dent in my £8000 car then I should just accept it? :confused: I think not. My g/f gets annoyed with me, because when we goto a car park, and there are no spaces at the end of a row where I can park right up to the kerb leaving the biggest gap possible between my car and the space next to it, I will leave and go to another car park.
Some people just think of a car as a tool to get form a to b, and don't care, and think other people don't care either. Well, I can tell you that some people do care. I have came back to previous parked cars, to find the person that has parked next to me has just opended their door straight into mine. Well, they came back to find a worse dent!! ;)

I'm sorry, but I can park well. It was only last bank holiday, me and the g/f went to tesco's to get some lunch. Parked at the end of a row, near to the kerb leaving at least half a foot between the tyres and the white line.
A wa*$!£ in a convertable BMW parked right up next to the car (partly in our space) and had left it there. We had our bikes on the back as we had been for a ride, and the BMW was so close, the width of the bikes wheels wouldn't fit past the wall one side and the wing mirror of the BMW. Unfortunately, that day, a BMW lost it's wing mirror, as when trying to be folded in, it wasn't all that secure!! :eek: :D

This is one subject that gets me very annoyed!!

[needaspirin]

If all parking bays were wide enough nobody would have to squeeze out of their car. Partial blame to supermarkets for the dents!

[Silent_Bob]

It was put there to help people who need more space etc to get out of cars?
Maybe they should provide "extra fat git" spaces too along with 4x4 and people carrier spaces as well.

Then theres those that come in vans - maybe they can have their own spaces too?


;)

[chatta]

Too precious? You mean that, if somebody puts a little dent in my £8000 car then I should just accept it? :confused: I think not. My g/f gets annoyed with me, because when we goto a car park, and there are no spaces at the end of a row where I can park right up to the kerb leaving the biggest gap possible between my car and the space next to it, I will leave and go to another car park.
Some people just think of a car as a tool to get form a to b, and don't care, and think other people don't care either. Well, I can tell you that some people do care. I have came back to previous parked cars, to find the person that has parked next to me has just opended their door straight into mine. Well, they came back to find a worse dent!! ;)

I'm sorry, but I can park well. It was only last bank holiday, me and the g/f went to tesco's to get some lunch. Parked at the end of a row, near to the kerb leaving at least half a foot between the tyres and the white line.
A wa*$!£ in a convertable BMW parked right up next to the car (partly in our space) and had left it there. We had our bikes on the back as we had been for a ride, and the BMW was so close, the width of the bikes wheels wouldn't fit past the wall one side and the wing mirror of the BMW. Unfortunately, that day, a BMW lost it's wing mirror, as when trying to be folded in, it wasn't all that secure!! :eek: :D

This is one subject that gets me very annoyed!!

Gosh an £8000 car and you had to eat at Tesco's :rolleyes: Wow half a foot thats 6 inches, well all us girls know what that means :rotfl:

[xzibit]

Gosh an £8000 car and you had to eat at Tesco's :rolleyes: Wow half a foot thats 6 inches, well all us girls know what that means :rotfl:

Very good lol :D

£8k isn't much for a car you know, I was just pointing out that it's worth £8k and people don't worry about damage to it.

[chatta]

That's a weener!! Could be worse I suppose. :p

Course he meant width rather than length:rotfl:

[foxybabe]

I once told a customer who complained that there were too many disabled bays where i work, and he had to walk right from the other side of the car park, that he should think himself lucky that he can, and i am sure many disabled people would like to be able to!

[tigger and george]

I park in the parent and child spaces lol. Got fed up with people opening their doors into my cars! So since I got my new car last october, I park in them when I go. Figure the odd £60 fine is cheaper than removing dents! Although haven't been fined.....yet!!

...so what happens when a genuine user with children on board has to try to find another space because selfish people like you see fit to park in spaces reserved for those in greater need........and one of their children gets knocked over by a car because the parent is having to walk further to their car and the parent is having to struggle with their shopping and takes their eyes off them for them for a moment.........??? the whole point of these spaces being closer to the store entrance is so that the GENUINE USERS don't have so far to walk!! Remember........what goes around comes around!!

[chatta]

Very good lol :D

£8k isn't much for a car you know, I was just pointing out that it's worth £8k and people don't worry about damage to it.

Point taken, I just feel sad we are all becoming so material orientated. :o

[xzibit]

...so what happens when a genuine user with children on board has to try to find another space because selfish people like you see fit to park in spaces reserved for those in greater need........and one of their children gets knocked over by a car because the parent is having to walk further to their car and the parent is having to struggle with their shopping and takes their eyes off them for them for a moment.........??? the whole point of these spaces being closer to the store entrance is so that the GENUINE USERS don't have so far to walk!! Remember........what goes around comes around!!

People shouldn't hit my car. Until the day they don't, I'm parking in the big bays. Sorry. And surely the parents should keep the child(ren) under sufficient control and not allow them in the way of cars? :confused:

[xzibit]

Point taken, I just feel sad we are all becoming so material orientated. :o

I think to me, it's more about the fact that I paid a certain amount of money for the car, and when I come to sell it the next year, expect a certain amount of money for it. If it's covered in dents from car parks, this price will be lower. Not very money saving that is it lol. ;)

[tigger and george]

People shouldn't hit my car. Until the day they don't, I'm parking in the big bays. Sorry. And surely the parents should keep the child(ren) under sufficient control and not allow them in the way of cars? :confused:

Of course people shouldn't hit your car - I'm sure they don't do it on purpose!

And, if you've had children, have they NEVER EVER wandered off, if only for a few moments??

.........so the next thing you'll be doing is driving down the middle of the road in case someone opens their door in front of you.........in the vain hope that anyone coming in the opposite direction will mount the pavement to avoid you........don't worry about the people they might mow down in the process!!

Ever thought about walking instead??!! Or better still, have your shopping delivered??

.........or how about parking at 90 degrees to everyone else and taking up 3 or 4 spaces??

Oh, and before you reverse out of your 'wide-bay' space......check to make sure someone hasn't accidentally (on purpose??!!) dropped some broken glass or upturned drawing pins under your tyres.............these things called 'accidents' do happen, you know!!!

[xzibit]

Of course people shouldn't hit your car - I'm sure they don't do it on purpose!Have seen people do it purposly to get out of their cars

And, if you've had children, have they NEVER EVER wandered off, if only for a few moments??Am only 23

.........so the next thing you'll be doing is driving down the middle of the road in case someone opens their door in front of you.........in the vain hope that anyone coming in the opposite direction will mount the pavement to avoid you........don't worry about the people they might mow down in the process!!Good idea lol

Ever thought about walking instead??!! Or better still, have your shopping delivered??I live 15 miles from nearest supermarket

.........or how about parking at 90 degrees to everyone else and taking up 3 or 4 spaces??I quite often take up 2, yes.

Oh, and before you reverse out of your 'wide-bay' space......check to make sure someone hasn't accidentally (on purpose??!!) dropped some broken glass or upturned drawing pins under your tyres.............these things called 'accidents' do happen, you know!!!Only a bitter old grump would do that! lol

Anyway, I digress.....

[hjb123]

Course he meant width rather than length:rotfl:

Ouch :rotfl: :rotfl:

[chatta]

I think to me, it's more about the fact that I paid a certain amount of money for the car, and when I come to sell it the next year, expect a certain amount of money for it. If it's covered in dents from car parks, this price will be lower. Not very money saving that is it lol. ;)

I have never really found the carparks to be that bad which is why I can't take this seriously :rotfl: By the way, you were lucky to go back to your car and find your bikes were still there :p

[pianeet]

i always park my car in two spaces admittidley well away from the entrance because i got fed up getting parking dents,and last week got a call on the store tannoy asking me to move my car,i just pointed to the sign outside the door saying no responsability for loss or damage to you vehicle if its is parked here,like i said to the manager you can not police it with one hand and deny responsability with the other.

[tigger and george]

Anyway, I digress.....

I feel better now that's out of my system!!

No hard feelings, eh?? xx

[tigger and george]

i always park my car in two spaces admittidley well away from the entrance because i got fed up getting parking dents,and last week got a call on the store tannoy asking me to move my car,i just pointed to the sign outside the door saying no responsability for loss or damage to you vehicle if its is parked here,like i said to the manager you can not police it with one hand and deny responsability with the other.

..........so if a motorcyclist parks parallel to your car in the remaining part of the bay which you have left empty, and accidentally kicks (and thus dents) your door with his (or her!!) heavy footwear on dismounting from the motorcycle........that would be okay by you??

I guess not??!!

[auditbabe]

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I would agree that parking in a disabled bay without a badge should result in immobilisation and a £20 release charge. But I can't get very excited about parent & child bays. Why are they so necessary? Many of their users at my local Asda have kids aged 10 or more, not babies. Once I was so appalled that I used one when there with my daughter. She is 17:D[/quote]

I do so agree with you. When I was fit enought to drive I use to park in the parent and children spaces as I has my Mum with me. I was watched once by some one in Safeways carpark and I was hoping they would come over and tell me I shouldn't park as this was reserved for parents and children. As far as I'm aware no one ever told me how old the parents and children should be.:beer:

[auditbabe]

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I would agree that parking in a disabled bay without a badge should result in immobilisation and a £20 release charge. But I can't get very excited about parent & child bays. Why are they so necessary? Many of their users at my local Asda have kids aged 10 or more, not babies. Once I was so appalled that I used one when there with my daughter. She is 17:D[/quote]

I do so agree with you. When I was fit enought to drive I use to park in the parent and children spaces as I has my Mum with me. I was watched once by some one in Safeways carpark and I was hoping they would come over and tell me I shouldn't park as this was reserved for parents and children. As far as I'm aware no one ever told me how old the parents and children should be.:beer:

[astonsmummy]

People shouldn't hit my car. Until the day they don't, I'm parking in the big bays. Sorry. And surely the parents should keep the child(ren) under sufficient control and not allow them in the way of cars? :confused:

maybe the people that hit your car are the parents with young children who have had to park there because all the p&b spaces are being used by people who dont need to use them:rolleyes: :confused:

[xzibit]

maybe the people that hit your car are the parents with young children who have had to park there because all the p&b spaces are being used by people who dont need to use them:rolleyes: :confused:

Nope, it's stopped since I started parking in the c&p bays! :rotfl:

I wasn't gonna say anything, but all these manhood jokes, well i wouldn't wanna mention the fact maybe all the dents come from the attempts at women's parking?!?! :confused: :D ;) :j

[astonsmummy]

Nope, it's stopped since I started parking in the c&p bays! :rotfl:

I wasn't gonna say anything, but all these manhood jokes, well i wouldn't wanna mention the fact maybe all the dents come from the attempts at women's parking?!?! :confused: :D ;) :j

well obviously it's stopped now u park in p&b bays seeing as there is more room between spaces:rolleyes:

[chatta]

I wasn't gonna say anything, but all these manhood jokes, well i wouldn't wanna mention the fact maybe all the dents come from the attempts at women's parking?!?! :confused: :D ;) :j[/quote]

Your brave to say that :rotfl: You might need a bit more than 6 inches in the future ;) ;)

[xzibit]

You might need a bit more than 6 inches in the future ;) ;)

Lucky for me then! ;) :rotfl:

[hjb123]

Nope, it's stopped since I started parking in the c&p bays! :rotfl:

I wasn't gonna say anything, but all these manhood jokes, well i wouldn't wanna mention the fact maybe all the dents come from the attempts at women's parking?!?! :confused: :D ;) :j

Well Im guessing that your a man! Just a wild guess but
1. the comments about space - I find men often say they need more space when they dont.
2. comments on womens parking - womens parking is good - theres boy racers - you dont hear of girl racers?! At least women ask for directions!

Oops, well Id better shut up now before I go on and on and on and on and on...

[CFC]

OP, I think you should follow the advice given in the other thread links that were posted on here and fight it. How dare supermarkets beg for our custom, drive local shops and shopkeepers out of existence through dubious commerical policies and then have the cheek to fine shoppers?

I'm sorry, for me it's not a question of being considerate to others, it's not about the rights or wrongs of parking in restricted spaces - we're not talking about that here - we're talking about whether a supermarket or its agents has the right to gouge money out of customers.

I'd be fighting it if it were me.

[manhattan]

i tend to get alot of nasty looks from people when i park my "VAN" in the p&c spaces with my two children!
they tend to think vans do not carry children,for some reason? lol.
you should see the faces on them as i park up in my wideboy space,i can see them having a right go at me whilst sat in their car,until they see my two children getting out of the van! then i give them a quick smile,before they turn away in embarrasment! hahaha i love that moment!

xzibit-i know what you mean about parking,i brought a brand new TT back in 2002 and used to either park in the p&c spaces(with kids) or park at the back of the car park much to the wifes discust!(she doesnt like walking far)lol.i too have witnessed lots of trolley and door dents.luckily i only drive a van now so nothing to worry about on the damage side of things.

on a serious note,as far as i am aware you can not be given a fine for parking in a p&c space they are not enforceable but disabled bays are!

and talking of disabled bays and parking offences,i know someone who has an "apparently" disabled child but abuses the system by using disabled spaces when the child is not present,and they put on a fake limp too! now that is a pi$$ take.

[manhattan]

also,a few years ago whilst parked in a p&c bay and returning to my vehicle i got asked by a stern car park assistant to not park there without children!

i pointed out that we did have a child with us, as my wife was heavily pregnant at the time.

[astonsmummy]

also,a few years ago whilst parked in a p&c bay and returning to my vehicle i got asked by a stern car park assistant to not park there without children!

i pointed out that we did have a child with us, as my wife was heavily pregnant at the time.

When i was pregnant i have do get someone from tesco to reverse my car out of a parking space because someon had parked tooo close and due to a HUGE 7 month bump i couldnt get in the blooming car!
I was told then i could use p&b spaces but i think that should only be when u are really showing.

[hjb123]

I just went to the local supermarket - been back an hour now - was there just after it opened. Nice spacious car park. Next to noone there and plenty of spaces everywhere. So why were 3 of the parent and child spaces taken up - not one of them had chidren - they were elderly people - there were other spaces just as near to the door. There was only 1 disabled space being used and that was legit though.

[angry]

How about:
Make P&C spaces "P&C or 10 mins". Parking at the far side of the car park doubles the time you spend at the supermarket if you're only popping in for one or two quick things.

And/or...
Anyone can park in P&C off peak (9pm onwards?) Maybe reserve 2 "Always" P&C spaces though, for late night parents.

Until this becomes the case though:
OP: You did the crime, do the time.

[KathrynPenguin]

I started parking there when I was pregnant, not because I couldn't get my bump in but because I was in a lot of pain when walking (symphis pubis dysfunciton), staff were always very nice about it, when I saw one I explained that I was pregnant and in a lot of pain but its not the kind of disability that gets you a blue badge as its very temporary (if you are lucky!).

As for what age the child should be, surely given that they all now have to have car seats its whatever age they become able to do up their seatbelt. Until then I need the door open fully so I can lean across DS to do up his seatbelt.

I too am very annoyed by the door dingers, I simply don't shop at ASDA as our local one has the smallest spaces on the planet and its impossible not to door ding, there are not enough wide spaces etc. Tesco will also loose my custom completely when I no longer qualify for P&C parking. I already do most of my shopping in Waitrose where I park in the regular spaces which are a good size, there is also a high number of new quality cars with more careful drivers - often find a Jag parked next to me!

[dawnydee73]

Supermarkets will not make the spaces bigger cause they want to fit more cars in.

I think there should be an age on parent & child parking spaces because people do abuse it, up to age 3 I think, my DS is almost 4 and can get in and out of the car no problem, can walk no problem, I just need to help him with the seatbelt but don't need a massive space anymore.

[C_Ronaldo]

you did it you pay it,

[kaan_is]

OK....BACK TO THE QUESTION AT HAND......
First of all i like to thank everyone who put out encouraging advice, as this gave me hope & decisive action i took.......spoke to the general manager of the store calmly explained the circumstances of the case, after listening intently he desided to right off the notice...!
To those..sincere peaple, who said "did it , pay it",a
word of caution...we are all humans...not machines & will time to time make mistakes, the point is how you learn from them.Personally speaking a "warning notice"on my windscreen would have the same affect.

[before hollywood]

I think this is the sort of attitude that spoils it for others. There are people that need to use those spaces who do actaully have children with them - or in the case of disabled people are or have disabled with them.

So how many dents have you had in your car before you starting parking in the parent and child spaces?

If people park well enough and are considerate then the car doors wont scrape the cars next to them

i used to work in a supermarket and the 2 different cars i had during my time working there got scratched quite a bit.

the spaces were narrow though, although i have to say i find parent and child spaces a bit pointless, when you compare what parents go through compared to someone who is seriously disabled

[before hollywood]

Supermarkets will not make the spaces bigger cause they want to fit more cars in.

I think there should be an age on parent & child parking spaces because people do abuse it, up to age 3 I think, my DS is almost 4 and can get in and out of the car no problem, can walk no problem, I just need to help him with the seatbelt but don't need a massive space anymore.
is it classed as abuse when someone with an older child uses the spaces? i have seen many people with children around the 12-13 mark :eek:

[Murphy_The_Cat]

It's a good job that it wasn't me that was patrolling the car park, as I think that people who abuse the disabled & parent/toddler spaces fully deserve to be shot.

Pay up you whining wuss and learn your lesson.

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[ailuro2]

Tesco gave me a purple parent and child sticker to put in my car, which was valid until my child was 5 years old.Seems sensible to me.

So far we don't have fines in supermarket car parks here in Dundee.

What I do hate..old folks who use the parent and child AND disabled spaces , and when questioned just give you a mouthful of abuse...I often tell people they have forgotten to bring their children out of the car, or forgotten to display their blue badge...all with a lovely smile of course.

I remember what it was like trying to get a tired toddler into a car seat,and never ever use the spaces now dd is old enough.

Have never parked in a disabled space either, even late at night when the car park is not busy.

If I parked on double yellows or a bus stop or a taxi rank I'd not have an excuse.Same goes for this.

imho pay the fine and run from a further away space next time you're pushed for time.

[before hollywood]

It's a good job that it wasn't me that was patrolling the car park, as I think that people who abuse the disabled & parent/toddler spaces fully deserve to be shot.

Pay up you whining wuss and learn your lesson.

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i would have shot the people abusing disabled spaces and painted the p and c spaces to make them disabled ones as well.
the allocation of disabled spaces in supermarkets is dreadful

[kaan_is]

"Murphy_The_Cat"......clearly you have a problem reading & understanding...as if you had read my last post...you clearly would have reached a different conclusion....

[manhattan]

i would have shot the people abusing disabled spaces

remember,if a disabled person is not present in the badged car they should only park in a normal space.

i know badge holders that abuse these spaces by using them without the disabled person present!

(i am not saying every badge holder does this,but i have seen it happen)

[Murphy_The_Cat]

"Murphy_The_Cat"......clearly you have a problem reading & understanding...as if you had read my last post...you clearly would have reached a different conclusion....

You're absolutely correct. http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8399/thumbsup4kk.gif

I saw your OP asking form urgent guidance and then read all of the responses on page 1

& then a made my post.

Now that I've read you're follow up, It's a shame that the manager didn't have the guts to follow it up, and also, if you are incapable of reading parking information signs correctly, you should not be driving.

Your car needs to be taken from you, and you should be stripped naked, put into stocks, and have mouldy and decomposing food thrown at you to teach you some humilty and also to encourage other morons who park in the wrong spaces the error of their ways.

If I, and millions of others can park correctly, then so can you.

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[xmaslolly76]

I would never dream of parking the disabled bay or the parent and child spaces unless i have my kids with me they are there for a reason. I do my upmost to make sure that children are safe at all times but occasionally small children have a wonderfull knack of getting away from you at the worst possible moments and parent and child means you feel a little bit safer. As for what age you should use them upto tesco mother and baby club state that they are provided for people with children up until there fifth birthday. It resally annoys me when you see people using spaces that they shouldnt just because they are in a rush or to lazy to walk the extra 200yrds. I also worry about people hitting my car so if i am on my own i park at the back of the carpark were all the extra spaces are. It amazes me how someone will drive around for 15 minutes waiting for a space at the front when it would only take them 2 minutes to walk from the back of the car park.

[kaan_is]

"Murphy_The_Cat"......what a sad case you are...i was the 1st to admit i was wrong("mistake")but clearly you
missed that part..i wont hold that against you....as obviously your suffering from some complex issues..based in the 19th century...I suggest you continue with your shock treatment...if that dosent work theres always the transplant..goodluck!

[tonys]

Well done Kaan_is on your actions in dealing with the situation. Private
companies are not allowed to impose fines-only a Court can do this. In any
event, £60 is way over a reasonable penalty for such a petty infringement.

Unfortunately, when you ask for information on some forums, instead of
getting the help you requested, you are inundated with garbage from holier than thou do gooders who, they would seem, are paragons of virtue in
every respect.

In an age when !!!!!philes, thieves etc appear to spend less time in jail than
it takes the Police to write out the paperwork, one would think that there were more important targets than yourself.

[CFC]

Personally, all these self righteous people twizzling on about how you shouldn't park in parent and child spaces- the point really is, why should a SUPERMARKET (often built in a place that you can't easily walk to), get extra money out of customers? That's quite separate from the rights and wrongs of the parking space controversy.

As for all the people who detail here that they delight in 'having a go' at others who they see 'parking incorrectly', not being unpleasant, but do you generally 'have a go' at young men who are drunk and incapable, or being generally vile or unpleasant in the street, or who are behaving in a threatening manner to other people, or even at people who you see nicking things?

Oops,guess not! Pick an easy target, eh?

[donglefan]

I don't see how the original poster could have been fined because there are no definitions of use for the 'parent and child' spaces on display in car parks are there? How for instance would anyone be able to prove that s/he had not gone to meet/collect a child but the child had decided to go round to a friend's house? Unenforceable fine I would think.

I have my own supermarket parking fine in appeal at the mo. Opinions welcome. Waitrose, one hour slot. Was over the hour. Car park packed full. Reason for overstay and packed car park was that the one other supermarket in town was closed for the week so Waitrose was chock full of double its usual customers on a Saturday morning. Would be a clear case I would think, but for the local council adminstrating the fines, rather than the supermarket.

[manhattan]

as i mentioned earlier,you cant be fined for using a P&C space.
how can they prove that there was not a child with you at the time?they can probably give u a ticket,but if you appealed you would win!

parking in p&c spaces is not an offence.

[Murphy_The_Cat]

"Murphy_The_Cat"......what a sad case you are...i was the 1st to admit i was wrong("mistake")but clearly you
missed that part..i wont hold that against you....as obviously your suffering from some complex issues..based in the 19th century...I suggest you continue with your shock treatment...if that dosent work theres always the transplant..goodluck!

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[Murphy_The_Cat]

I have my own supermarket parking fine in appeal at the mo. Opinions welcome. Waitrose, one hour slot. Was over the hour. Car park packed full. Reason for overstay and packed car park was that the one other supermarket in town was closed for the week so Waitrose was chock full of double its usual customers on a Saturday morning. Would be a clear case I would think, but for the local council adminstrating the fines, rather than the supermarket.

That sounds like a tricky one.

On the one hand you are completly stuffed because you overstayed your permitted time.

But your mitigating circumstance is that Waitrose couldn't get you through the tills quickly enough (not that the council will give a monkeys). As long as you have kept your reciept, the Waitrose manager may be sympathetic to your situation - especially if you bought a decent amount, rather than a paper and a choccy bar.

Please let us know how you get on.

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[khizman]

Hows it different? It was put there to help people who need more space etc to get out of cars?




Actually I can agree that people arent considerate anymore - its a pity because the world would be a much nicer place to live if they were! A small minority seem to like to spoil it for others.
Having kids is a choice of lifestyle, bieng disabled isnt.

[donglefan]

Thank you MTC. I did buy lots, but one item was a cashback offer and I've sent the receipt to the cashback company for less than a fiver. (Fine is £35.) Doh!

[Crabman]

I think this is the sort of attitude that spoils it for others. There are people that need to use those spaces who do actaully have children with them - or in the case of disabled people are or have disabled with them.

So how many dents have you had in your car before you starting parking in the parent and child spaces?

If people park well enough and are considerate then the car doors wont scrape the cars next to them
I can't see absoltely everyone parking properly. Some c*ckrunt opened his door into my new yaris the other day :mad:

I totally understand people wanting to park in the wider bays though personally I tend to park my motor in a less congested part of the car park so I don't get any dents/scrapes. I don't see why people are unable to walk that crippiling distance to the supermarket entrance only to wander around for ages instore :rolleyes:

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Thank you MTC. I did buy lots, but one item was a cashback offer and I've sent the receipt to the cashback company for less than a fiver. (Fine is £35.) Doh!

Good luck - I imagine that you will be one of many people in the same circumstance.

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p.s. Please don't think that I'm being a clever so and so, but when dealing with the manager, politeness, good manners & a "please can you help me" approach will work better than going for his throat ! I speak as a manager who has to use my discretion on a daily basis. http://www.replay.ru/forum/style_emoticons/default/big_boss.gif

[Crabman]

Good luck - I imagine that you will be one of many people in the same circumstance.

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p.s. Please don't think that I'm being a clever so and so, but when dealing with the manager, politeness, good manners & a "please can you help me" approach will work better than going for his throat ! I speak as a manager who has to use my discretion on a daily basis. http://www.replay.ru/forum/style_emoticons/default/big_boss.gif
So a sawn off shotgun to his head won't do it then? :wall: :o

Worked for me over the years :D

[Murphy_The_Cat]

So a sawn off shotgun to his head won't do it then? :wall: :o

Worked for me over the years :D

With a gap of several years between each occassion ????:rotfl: :rotfl:

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[C_Ronaldo]

I am wondering if people are getting too precious about their cars and lifes dings, all this talk of using two spaces etc is a bit much. If you wish to spend so much money on a car why not use online shopping then you can spend the time out polishing the car for the neighbour to admire :rolleyes:


ive you have just bought a nice new carthe last thing you want anyone to do to it is to make a dent with a car door or a trolley

[kaan_is]

Murphy_The_Cat...your welcome! Its nice to see youve changed your tone....looking at your last posts..it costs nothing to be polite & sincere...

[Weggy]

There's no way they can impose a fine for this..... For one, how would they know you weren't coming to pick the wife and kids up from doing the shopping?

On a different note, I once got a fine for Marks & Spencer - didnt 'pay and display' in their private car park. 10 years on and I've had no follow up from them..... big question is, all they had was my registration plate number..... legally, I doubt they have any rights to get my address from that via the police or DVLA.....

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Murphy_The_Cat...your welcome! Its nice to see youve changed your tone....looking at your last posts..it costs nothing to be polite & sincere...

My tone tends to to reflect the people / subjects that I'm posting about / with.

Politeness is a good one, but some people who post on here deserve a lot more than others, & others deserve very little indeed.

Sincerity - always.

You might be interested in this cheerful, happy & altogether feelgood thread (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=260911) that I started the other day.

I feel that is sums up my sunny disposition and cheery outlook to life perfectly.

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[iwanttosave]

wow is this thread still going on :rotfl:

[Murphy_The_Cat]

On a different note, I once got a fine for Marks & Spencer - didnt 'pay and display' in their private car park. 10 years on and I've had no follow up from them..... big question is, all they had was my registration plate number..... legally, I doubt they have any rights to get my address from that via the police or DVLA.....

Times have changed Weggy and DVLA will now release details of your car to "interested parties " who fit "certain criteria", and guess what, that means the people who run car parks.

I'll try and find an up to date link that will give you some more details (but your 10 year old transgression is safe, I would imagine).

Here's a couple on paragraphs from this link (http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=2313242005)

It was revealed that the agency supplies the names and home addresses of those with driving licences to 157 firms presently on its list - some of which are run by convicted criminals.

Each firm on the list has an electronic link to the DVLA's database, at a cost of £3,000. Individual requests for information can also be made by other groups for £2.50 a time.

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[kaan_is]

Murphy_The_Cat...fasinating thread...totally agreed with some of your points...& your colourful language..well lets not go there however in life nothing is ever straight forward..Black & White, always consider all options....tolerence will definately help,

[kittykate]

Need Urgent guidence....received a parking fine(£60)...
parked in "parents & toddlers"bay.Stupid! I know....but was getting late to pick up kids from School....only i bay was being used 11 were vacant....was there literally 10mins....any help welomed..thanks.:mad:


Oooh which asda was this? Where I work doesn't do that yet.

Yipppeeee, I think it's a cause for celebration that you got this fine! Perhaps next time you won't be such a ignorant, pig headed chauvanist and you might actually park in the correct space.

Who the hell do you think you are? The Queen? God? Park where you are supposed to park and you won't get a fine. Duh! Ten minutes, one minute, one second, I don't care. God knows there were probably plenty of other places for you to park. You lazy, idle, person. Hopefully this will be a lesson well learnt for you.

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Murphy_The_Cat...fasinating thread...totally agreed with some of your points...& your colourful language..well lets not go there however in life nothing is ever straight forward..Black & White, always consider all options....tolerence will definately help,


Kaan_is
colourful language ????? I honestly thought that i'd managed to do that whole thread without using any bad language - in fact, I really racked my imagination at times to keep the language clean.

Just be grateful that I'm not running the country :rotfl: :rotfl:

As for tolerance - funnily enough, I'm the most easy going, road rage free driver that you'll ever come across - but the chance to have a "blow off of steam" was to good to miss. & the thing that triggered the other thread off was some doofus who had parked in a Parent & Toddler space and who took offense when I politely (& please believe me, I was very polite as I had my son with me) pointed out to him that he wasn't entitled to park there.

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[manhattan]

just a quick tip:
do not attempt to use two spaces for your car in a paying car park.you will receive a ticket like i did a few years ago!

i thought i would try and be smart,by using two spaces to stop the carpark dinging brigade whilst shopping,but ended up with a fine rather than a dented door! lol

park between the most expensive cars in the carpark,they will be more worried about dings than you!

[kittykate]

just a quick tip:

park between the most expensive cars in the carpark,they will be more worried about dings than you!


hey good idea! I've never thought of that. :D

[manhattan]

just dont park near people carriers, kids like swinging on doors! hahaah

[Murphy_The_Cat]

kaan_is

kittykate is not an AE of Murphy_The_Cat :beer:

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[emmaBZ]

im a mum of 3 and my younger sister used to really annoy me by saying she parked in p&b spaces all the time as she didnt know why people who CHOSE to have kids should get special treatment....... that was untill a year ago when she became a mummy !!! and learned first hand how impossable it is to get a car seat out of car in a normal size parking space ( ohh how i smiled !!;;)

[kittykate]

kaan_is

kittyyake is not an AE of Murphy_The_Cat :beer:

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Ya wot? :eek:

[Princessa]

I park in the parent and child spaces lol. Got fed up with people opening their doors into my cars! So since I got my new car last october, I park in them when I go. Figure the odd £60 fine is cheaper than removing dents! Although haven't been fined.....yet!!

Have to say, working at tesco, we don't fine cars for parking in the mother and baby/disabled bits. But we do get alot of complaints from angry customers who have 'only been tehre 5 mins' to return to their car and it have key scratches down it, so likely an angry parent has done it. Of course, they complain and we can't do anything about it.

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Ya wot? :eek:

You're making exactly the same point as I did, albeit a day or 2 later.

Which is why I'm saying that you & I are not AE's of each other http://img26.exs.cx/img26/2245/thumbsup8de.gif

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[Princessa]

and for those questioning the need of parent and child spaces...it's very hard to find a parking space big enough for a large car, to be able to get in at both sides to unload twins, and be close enough to the store to be able to leave the kids in the car and go on the hunt for a trolley for twins, which are usually inside the store. I don't want to have to leave my babies on the other side of the car park whilst I hunt for a trolley.

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Have to say, working at tesco, we don't fine cars for parking in the mother and baby/disabled bits. But we do get alot of complaints from angry customers who have 'only been tehre 5 mins' to return to their car and it have key scratches down it, so likely an angry parent has done it. Of course, they complain and we can't do anything about it.

Oh dear,

how sad,

never mind.

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[melancholly]

what a long and amusing thread (although the fine for the OP is problay not so funny!).
i do feel that the spaces should be kept free, but they can only really impose a fine if they police the carpark (someone said that a few pages back already!)

i had my car hit in a council carpark which had lots of signs up in it to say it had CCTV and an attendant (but things were still left at our own risk). Someone smashed into the side of the car - i blame a chelsea tractor myself, but the CCTV was too poor to be able to pick up the incident, let alone the number plate. i was not amused!!

in any normal parking situation, a parking attendant has to watch the offending car for 10 minutes or something to see if you come back before they can give you a ticket (or have i made that up?!). why are these rules not applied to supermarkets?

[manhattan]

it looks like the angry parents are taking over the hooded youths jobs these days then! lol
next they will be taking your satnav if you abuse "their" p&c space!

how dare they make our beloved chav breed become redundant!

[kittykate]

You're making exactly the same point as I did, albeit a day or 2 later.

Which is why I'm saying that you & I are not AE's of each other http://img26.exs.cx/img26/2245/thumbsup8de.gif

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Maybe we are and we are talking to each other without realising. Hmmm. Maybe it's like fight club. You can be brad pitt so I get to perve on you ;)

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Maybe we are and we are talking to each other without realising. Hmmm. Maybe it's like fight club. You can be brad pitt so I get to perve on you ;)

You mean Brad Pitt after he discovered a love for meat pies:rotfl: :rotfl:

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[astonsmummy]

wow is this thread still going on :rotfl:

Wanty ur back!:j :T

(sorry off topic!)

[Crabman]

Wanty ur back!:j :T

(sorry off topic!)
Ever heard of Private Messaging? :rolleyes:

[rdwarr]

Ever heard of Private Messaging? :rolleyes:
Was he in Dads Army?

[astonsmummy]

Ever heard of Private Messaging? :rolleyes:

does it really matter?:rolleyes:

[kaan_is]

Murphy_The_Cat..."Just be grateful that I'm not running the country ".......DO you honestly think you could do Worse job than Mr T.B.?

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Murphy_The_Cat..."Just be grateful that I'm not running the country ".......DO you honestly think you could do Worse job than Mr T.B.?

Personally, I think that I'd do a great job, the people who I have put against a wall and shot may disagree - then again, I am a fair man, they could always appeal the descision afterwards. :rotfl: :rotfl:

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[Crabman]

does it really matter?:rolleyes:
Seeing as your post had nothing whatsoever to do with a parking fine from Asda, yes, it does matter. :)

Anyway back to the original topic... :D :T :rotfl:

[astonsmummy]

Seeing as your post had nothing whatsoever to do with a parking fine from Asda, yes, it does matter. :)

Anyway back to the original topic... :D :T :rotfl:

Well i'm sorry you feel that it is so much of a problem (not that other threads sometimes go off topic for a post or 2 or anything!)

[Crabman]

Well i'm sorry you feel that it is so much of a problem (not that other threads sometimes go off topic for a post or 2 or anything!)
Awwwwwwww don't feel sorry... :o just promise you'll never ever go OT again :p :T

On the original subject, my local tesco store don't give a monkeys where you park :confused: I asked one of the trolley guys yesterday - he shrugged and said nobody cares :rotfl: :D Doesn't mean I'm going to start parking there though...

[rdwarr]

Doesn't mean I'm going to start parking there though...
...especially if you're displaying an IAM badge. It comes with a certain degree of social responsibility ;)

[before hollywood]

and for those questioning the need of parent and child spaces...it's very hard to find a parking space big enough for a large car, to be able to get in at both sides to unload twins, and be close enough to the store to be able to leave the kids in the car and go on the hunt for a trolley for twins, which are usually inside the store. I don't want to have to leave my babies on the other side of the car park whilst I hunt for a trolley.

a large car? for 2 small kids, now i am starting to wonder.

my car is the same size as a focus (its a hatchback) and it can accomodate my dad who is nearly 6 feet tall on one of the back seats and still have loads of room for our dog (a labrador) on the rest of the back seat (and she is a pain to have in the car lol).

my personal fave was when someone said they had a certain type of huge car because they had kids, my car was smaller and had plenty of room for 5 adults (including the driver).

and don't get me started on 'baby on board' things

i don't understand why people have to have these massive mpv things, they look like vans :eek:

and are driven completely stupidly

[before hollywood]

it looks like the angry parents are taking over the hooded youths jobs these days then! lol
next they will be taking your satnav if you abuse "their" p&c space!

how dare they make our beloved chav breed become redundant!

i used to hate it when i worked in a supermarket and you would get an angry parent causing a scene in front of the kids. usually because they got treated the same way as everyone else, i.e you were turning people away cos the store was closing and it included them.

[Rachie B]

a large car? for 2 small kids, now i am starting to wonder.

my car is the same size as a focus (its a hatchback) and it can accomodate my dad who is nearly 6 feet tall on one of the back seats and still have loads of room for our dog (a labrador) on the rest of the back seat (and she is a pain to have in the car lol).

my personal fave was when someone said they had a certain type of huge car because they had kids, my car was smaller and had plenty of room for 5 adults (including the driver).

and don't get me started on 'baby on board' things

i don't understand why people have to have these massive mpv things, they look like vans :eek:

and are driven completely stupidly

you mean 7 seaters ? maybe they childmind so need the extra seats ? ;) even if they "only" have 1 or 2 children of their own

[before hollywood]

you mean 7 seaters ? maybe they childmind so need the extra seats ? ;) even if they "only" have 1 or 2 children of their own

there are very few 'large cars' that have 7 seats, if they do they usually have no luggage space whatsoever.

[astonsmummy]

[QUOTE=Crabman]Awwwwwwww don't feel sorry... :o just promise you'll never ever go OT again :p :T

QUOTE]

I was being sarcastic:rolleyes:

[carolwat]

I park in the parent and child spaces lol. Got fed up with people opening their doors into my cars! So since I got my new car last october, I park in them when I go. Figure the odd £60 fine is cheaper than removing dents! Although haven't been fined.....yet!!

you disgust me. for the sake of your new car i risk having my toddler hit by a car because i have to park further away and therefore walk further to get to the supermarket because you love your precious car so much and feel you have the right to park in a bigger space so noone hits it when opening their door. well i hope that one day you are parked next to a toddler that is in the kicking phase and you car gets kicked and a great big dent appears. you deserve it. never mind though cos the odd £60 fine you paying for to get the dents fixed eh.

[carolwat]

Have to say, working at tesco, we don't fine cars for parking in the mother and baby/disabled bits. But we do get alot of complaints from angry customers who have 'only been tehre 5 mins' to return to their car and it have key scratches down it, so likely an angry parent has done it. Of course, they complain and we can't do anything about it.

fantastic. love it. much better for the scumbags who park in parent and toddler bays to have there car scratched than a poxy fine. would do it myself if i wasnt too scared of being caught :)

[carolwat]

I am wondering if people are getting too precious about their cars and lifes dings, all this talk of using two spaces etc is a bit much. If you wish to spend so much money on a car why not use online shopping then you can spend the time out polishing the car for the neighbour to admire :rolleyes:

:rotfl:

completely agree with you.

[livinginhope]

a large car? for 2 small kids, now i am starting to wonder.

my car is the same size as a focus (its a hatchback) and it can accomodate my dad who is nearly 6 feet tall on one of the back seats and still have loads of room for our dog (a labrador) on the rest of the back seat (and she is a pain to have in the car lol).

my personal fave was when someone said they had a certain type of huge car because they had kids, my car was smaller and had plenty of room for 5 adults (including the driver).

and don't get me started on 'baby on board' things

i don't understand why people have to have these massive mpv things, they look like vans :eek:

and are driven completely stupidly

Well you obviously haven't tried getting a full weekly shop with 2 kids in tow and a pushchair in the boot!
The reason for these spaces is pretty obvious,the car door has to be opened fully in order to place a YOUNG child safely in it's car seat and strap it in.If you park in an ordinary space you have no room to do this.
Ah 'baby on board' signs,while I don't like these either,they do serve a very useful purpose,not to give the driver a licence to drive badly :o ,but if the car was involved in an accident the emergency services would see the sign and be alerted to the fact that children are present,which is not always obvious when a car is crumpled up!
I don't like door dents so I park miles across the car park and use my legs which is what they were designed for.
There rant over.

[Weggy]

fantastic. love it. much better for the scumbags who park in parent and toddler bays to have there car scratched than a poxy fine. would do it myself if i wasnt too scared of being caught :)

I think you missed out a 't' from your username.

[before hollywood]

Well you obviously haven't tried getting a full weekly shop with 2 kids in tow and a pushchair in the boot!
The reason for these spaces is pretty obvious,the car door has to be opened fully in order to place a YOUNG child safely in it's car seat and strap it in.If you park in an ordinary space you have no room to do this.
Ah 'baby on board' signs,while I don't like these either,they do serve a very useful purpose,not to give the driver a licence to drive badly :o ,but if the car was involved in an accident the emergency services would see the sign and be alerted to the fact that children are present,which is not always obvious when a car is crumpled up!
I don't like door dents so I park miles across the car park and use my legs which is what they were designed for.
There rant over.

no, i haven't, but my reason for thinking these spaces are a gimmick is because of the disastorous lack of allocation of proper disabled spaces, one of my mates works for a charity and he will tell you how bad it can be when you are taking a disabled person out to get a disabled space.
if anyone on here thinks i am wrong for sympathising with disabled people on this issue- i don't care, i have genuine sympathy for them and a lot of what this country is/has done is very little and very late.

and have you ever measured the boot space of a 4x4 or an mpv, not only are they ugly, noisy, unefficient and all the other things, they have hardly any boot space.

and why do we see so many cars with 'baby on board' things on, when the baby isn't in the car? surely that will lead to the emergency services going on a wild goose chase.

i too park at the other end of the car park, have done since i got my current car 2 and a bit years ago, in my other one i never got dents cos people were scared of denting theirs.

and noone apart from me says anything about people who park in the spaces with their HIGH SCHOOL AGE kids.

[morveryn]

On the original subject, my local tesco store don't give a monkeys where you park :confused: I asked one of the trolley guys yesterday - he shrugged and said nobody cares :rotfl: :D Doesn't mean I'm going to start parking there though...

What an appalling attitude that is (from the trolley guy).
If a disabled person cannot gain access to a disabled parking bay because someone is there who shouldn't be, then that person may not be able to gain access to the store and the company can be fined.
I hope stores like this who 'don't care' do get fined.
I am disabled and if I came across that kind of attitude I certainly wouldn't shop there again and I would make sure I told as many people as I could about the stores 'don't give a crap about you' feeling towards parents with babies/young children and the disabled.

If more stores used Spacehog (http://www.spacehog.org.uk/page23.html) for spaces like parent and baby and disabled, abuse of spaces and blue badges would hoefully be kept to a minimum.

[livinginhope]

and have you ever measured the boot space of a 4x4 or an mpv, not only are they ugly, noisy, unefficient and all the other things, they have hardly any boot space.

Really :confused: my 4 x 4 has a huge boot in it,bigger than anything else I have driven,very efficient and 'green' runs on bio diesel,also very quiet.I think it looks lovely,especially when caked in mud,which is most days,we are VERY rural here :D

[rdwarr]

there are very few 'large cars' that have 7 seats, if they do they usually have no luggage space whatsoever.
Renault Grand Espace
Toyota Previa
Chrysley Grand Voyager
Toyota Estima
Mitsubishi Delica
Citroen CX Familie
......and there's more - that was excluding 4x4s! :)

[before hollywood]

Renault Grand Espace
Toyota Previa
Chrysley Grand Voyager
Toyota Estima
Mitsubishi Delica
Citroen CX Familie
......and there's more - that was excluding 4x4s! :)

right then-
the grand espace is the latest version, costs a pretty penny to buy one of those.
previa? which type, the uk or japanese import? the two have quite a few differences.
the grand voyager is HUGE, costs a bomb, its values go down like a lead weight in a swimming pool, and to top it all its american so chances are it is miserable to drive.
the estima is an import, so is the delica.
and when was the last time you saw a citroen cx in the auto trader?
1985????

the reason i singled out the imports is simple- i LOVE japanese cars (well the sports ones) and when all these new ones came over i discovered from friends exactly why they should be avoided:
1. you can't trace the history- even if you could find the japanese agencies that deal with this, could you translate what they said? it could have been stolen, written off, clocked. in this country we can check these things out on uk cars.
2. you can't buy normal insurance, you need special import insurance, good luck!
3. have you tried buying parts for an import, you can't put uk parts on them, and the dealers won't touch it with a barge pole
4. service history- how is your conversational japanese?
5. japanese cars have different regulations to adhere to, has it been converted to uk legal spec? how well was the work done?

still want an import?

[before hollywood]

Really :confused: my 4 x 4 has a huge boot in it,bigger than anything else I have driven,very efficient and 'green' runs on bio diesel,also very quiet.I think it looks lovely,especially when caked in mud,which is most days,we are VERY rural here :D

OH MY GOD!!!!!

A 4X4 THAT GOES OFF ROAD!!!!! :eek:

i haven't seen one of those for a while

for 4x4 owners round here 'off road' means the driveway

[livinginhope]

OH MY GOD!!!!!

A 4X4 THAT GOES OFF ROAD!!!!! :eek:

i haven't seen one of those for a while

for 4x4 owners round here 'off road' means the driveway

I would say 80% of 4 x 4 round here go off road most days,as said we are very rural,I agree with your attitude to 'city 4 x 4' owners,when we go away for weekends we clean the car up,but get abuse when we park ANYWHERE,people always feel the need to comment on our 'clean' 4 x 4,what right do they have :confused: maybe if they got out of the town more they would realise that just because I'm in the town one day,doesn't mean I live there,without the 4 x 4 DH would not be able to tow his mobile welding equiptment across miles of farmland in the snow so that he can work and if he chooses to go to the carwash on his way home to have the car sparkling for me the next day,how would anyone know where the car had been? just cos you don't see them going off road doesn't mean they don't,people have a right to drive what they please without being judged by people who know nothing about them,it's also none of their business :p
Sorry for the rant,but the 'townies' really have no idea about lives of us 'simple folk' ;)

[carolwat]

I think you missed out a 't' from your username.

you got me wrong. i DONT park where i shouldnt. i guess the t isnt missing from my name afterall. i dont really see why you feel the need to insinuate that in the first place though. i didnt do anything wrong.

[rdwarr]

the reason i singled out the imports is simple- i LOVE japanese cars (well the sports ones) and when all these new ones came over i discovered from friends exactly why they should be avoided:
1. you can't trace the history- even if you could find the japanese agencies that deal with this, could you translate what they said? it could have been stolen, written off, clocked. in this country we can check these things out on uk cars.
2. you can't buy normal insurance, you need special import insurance, good luck!
3. have you tried buying parts for an import, you can't put uk parts on them, and the dealers won't touch it with a barge pole
4. service history- how is your conversational japanese?
5. japanese cars have different regulations to adhere to, has it been converted to uk legal spec? how well was the work done?

still want an import?

Yes, please - in fact I've had an Estima for seven years and been extremely happy. That's why I mentioned it. :)

Let's look at the above "facts":
1) It's possible to buy imports with full Japanese history if that's important. Import agents will supply a translation of this if requested.
2) Tesco have insured the Estima with no problem at all. It's easy and no more expensive than the UK equivalent.
3) Yes, there are many specialist parts suppliers in the UK. Toyota are also more than happy to work on the car but are more expensive than the independents.
4) I thought you said there never was a service history! Anyway, see (1).
5) Of course they are properly converted otherwise they wouldn't be on the road! This normally involves fitting a rear foglight and putting an "mph" face on the speedo.

Next time you're out and about see how many Estimas there are compared to Previas. You'll find there are many more around. Why have so many thousands of people gone to all the trouble of importing these in preference to UK-spec cars? Because they are so much better!

[Weggy]

you got me wrong. i DONT park where i shouldnt. i guess the t isnt missing from my name afterall. i dont really see why you feel the need to insinuate that in the first place though. i didnt do anything wrong.

You said:

"well i hope that one day you are parked next to a toddler that is in the kicking phase and you car gets kicked and a great big dent appears. you deserve it. never mind though cos the odd £60 fine you paying for to get the dents fixed eh."

You're the exact reason why people with nice cars park in either a 'double space' or a larger bay (ie Parent and Child spaces). I bet you're the sort that just lets your door fly open, and doesnt care that it's just marked the car next to yours. What a disgrace.

[catkins]

you disgust me. for the sake of your new car i risk having my toddler hit by a car because i have to park further away and therefore walk further to get to the supermarket because you love your precious car so much and feel you have the right to park in a bigger space so noone hits it when opening their door. well i hope that one day you are parked next to a toddler that is in the kicking phase and you car gets kicked and a great big dent appears. you deserve it. never mind though cos the odd £60 fine you paying for to get the dents fixed eh.

I can't help wondering how people managed for years to go to supermarkets with children when there were no parent and child spaces.

I would never normally park in one but I did the other day when I had my dog with me as they were the only spaces in the shade. I was literally in the store for 5 minutes. But I suppose that was wrong?

[Murphy_The_Cat]

I can't help wondering how people managed for years to go to supermarkets with children when there were no parent and child spaces.



They still managed - they probably caught other peoples cars on a regular basis whilst struggling to get their toddlers into a car.

& yes, you were in the wrong.

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[Weggy]

I can't help wondering how people managed for years to go to supermarkets with children when there were no parent and child spaces.

I would never normally park in one but I did the other day when I had my dog with me as they were the only spaces in the shade. I was literally in the store for 5 minutes. But I suppose that was wrong?

Yeah, very wrong in the eyes of most on here......! Shame on you :rotfl:

[astonsmummy]

I can't help wondering how people managed for years to go to supermarkets with children when there were no parent and child spaces.

I would never normally park in one but I did the other day when I had my dog with me as they were the only spaces in the shade. I was literally in the store for 5 minutes. But I suppose that was wrong?

of course people managed but it wasnt easier, my mum managed without baby wipes, my nan managed without disposable nappies, now shold we not use these just because our fore mothers and fathers 'managed' :confused:
And yes you are in the wrong.

[velocity boy]

you disgust me. for the sake of your new car i risk having my toddler hit by a car because i have to park further away and therefore walk further to get to the supermarket because you love your precious car so much and feel you have the right to park in a bigger space so noone hits it when opening their door. well i hope that one day you are parked next to a toddler that is in the kicking phase and you car gets kicked and a great big dent appears. you deserve it. never mind though cos the odd £60 fine you paying for to get the dents fixed eh.

thats nice isn't it? :rolleyes: :eek:

[January Embers]

Doesn't matter who your are or what your car is you should park where you are supposed to not where you feel like it. If you are that worried about your car, don't buy such an expensive one! :rolleyes:
Whats the point of having a car that you are constantly worrying about?

I have a car thats less then 12 months old and it got scraped a couple of months ago in a car park, unfortunate and annoying but thats life, these things happen.

[babyblooz]

One supermarket I know used to clamp cars that were parked in disabled bays without displaying the special permit. Think they gave the release fees to a local charity. Don't know how much they paid out, but you never saw cars parked in the wrong place.

Asda near us (close to a local gym) often has girls roll up, dressed in Keep fit gear, and they screech into disabled bays, with music playing loudly over the sound system, then stroll in for a bottle of water. Seems ironic!

[burbs]

right then-
the grand espace is the latest version, costs a pretty penny to buy one of those.
previa? which type, the uk or japanese import? the two have quite a few differences.
the grand voyager is HUGE, costs a bomb, its values go down like a lead weight in a swimming pool, and to top it all its american so chances are it is miserable to drive.
the estima is an import, so is the delica.
and when was the last time you saw a citroen cx in the auto trader?
1985????

the reason i singled out the imports is simple- i LOVE japanese cars (well the sports ones) and when all these new ones came over i discovered from friends exactly why they should be avoided:
1. you can't trace the history- even if you could find the japanese agencies that deal with this, could you translate what they said? it could have been stolen, written off, clocked. in this country we can check these things out on uk cars.
2. you can't buy normal insurance, you need special import insurance, good luck!
3. have you tried buying parts for an import, you can't put uk parts on them, and the dealers won't touch it with a barge pole
4. service history- how is your conversational japanese?
5. japanese cars have different regulations to adhere to, has it been converted to uk legal spec? how well was the work done?

still want an import?

Sorry but this post is complete drivel. I have dealt Jap sports cars for 4 years from my sites and it is people who dont have a clue about imports and hear things on the grapevine that start these rumours that are completly untrue.

1. Firstly you cant trace the history? Every car that i supply comes with full service history, the top copy is Japanese and the TRANSLATED page is (amazingly!!) translated into English for a nominal fee by the agent in Japan. A few years back there was a massive problem with stolen cars being put through auctions in Japan and making their way abroad. This was stamped out as all cars are now thoroughly checked in Japan before they are allowed to be offered for sale.

2. Insurance is offered by hundreds of companies in this country. The normal run of the mill companies are starting to insure as they see the market is there e.g. Tesco and the like. If that is not an option then there are numerous "specialist" companies who are only a phone call away e.g. Adrian Flux and Greenline.

3. Again there are numerous companies in this country who now offer parts for the imports such as Subaru and Skyline. If there isnt a company near you then they even offer mail order - amazing!! This is because there is a market. Dealers will also touch your car if you want them too. Get an Evo off me and you can take it to a Evo dealer in this country and they will do what needs doing.

4. Service History is translated - simple really.

5. Any import can be made road legal over here within about 45 minutes. Its not a hard job and only really consists of a couple of minor neccesary jobs. The cars that arrive at port for me are done there and then at the port and only then require the SVA test if needed and taxing.

It really is easy to buy and run an import nowadays. The people who think not do not have a clue what they are talking about in all honesty.

[burbs]

And now back to the OP and the reason for this thread.

Anyone who parks in a disabled bay or parent and toddler space when they shouldnt deserves to have their car towed or clamped and they should pay to get it back. They cannot be bothered to walk those few extra yards to the store, unreal!!!

And those people who park there because they have a nice new car, so what. I have nice cars but manage to park in a normal space as thats the rules. If i dont like them then its tough as i have to abide by them.

I would love to go and whack my car in one of these peoples driveways and see how they like me parking there!

[hammy the hammer]

i doubt if the !!!!!!!!s actually get it ....if supermarkets didn't have these bays for disabled people and people with toddlers and they were just 'normal' parking bays the likelihood is they would be full and the 'super !!!!!!!!s' would have the same chance as everyone else of getting the spare place.
" i parked there cause it was the only place in the shade for my dog"
well what the heck would you have done if that space had already been taken?
the best way of all is to licence these bays and have them under local authority (warden) control ...as the only thing that stops the supermarkets acting really tough on the issue is the chance of losing trade.
oh for those worried about getting the car scratched a good tip ...park a bit further away from the store where all the lazy 'Bs' can't be bothered to walk from...works wonders

[before hollywood]

Sorry but this post is complete drivel. I have dealt Jap sports cars for 4 years from my sites and it is people who dont have a clue about imports and hear things on the grapevine that start these rumours that are completly untrue.

1. Firstly you cant trace the history? Every car that i supply comes with full service history, the top copy is Japanese and the TRANSLATED page is (amazingly!!) translated into English for a nominal fee by the agent in Japan. A few years back there was a massive problem with stolen cars being put through auctions in Japan and making their way abroad. This was stamped out as all cars are now thoroughly checked in Japan before they are allowed to be offered for sale.

2. Insurance is offered by hundreds of companies in this country. The normal run of the mill companies are starting to insure as they see the market is there e.g. Tesco and the like. If that is not an option then there are numerous "specialist" companies who are only a phone call away e.g. Adrian Flux and Greenline.

3. Again there are numerous companies in this country who now offer parts for the imports such as Subaru and Skyline. If there isnt a company near you then they even offer mail order - amazing!! This is because there is a market. Dealers will also touch your car if you want them too. Get an Evo off me and you can take it to a Evo dealer in this country and they will do what needs doing.

4. Service History is translated - simple really.

5. Any import can be made road legal over here within about 45 minutes. Its not a hard job and only really consists of a couple of minor neccesary jobs. The cars that arrive at port for me are done there and then at the port and only then require the SVA test if needed and taxing.

It really is easy to buy and run an import nowadays. The people who think not do not have a clue what they are talking about in all honesty.

1. Thats your cars, if you are trying to discredit by post you haven't managed it
2. My point was that a lot of people would be turned away by major insurers (e.g if they wanted to transfer insurance from a uk car or wanted a new policy)
3. main agents? as in if i buy an evo of you i can take it to mitsubishi to get it serviced??? ok then i will hold my hands up and say times may have changed
4. on your cars or on all the imports that come over?
5. all that proves is that you know what your cars that you sell need.

Don't know what i am talking about??? charming.

[chorlton]

If a sign on a private car park says don't do something and warns of the consequences - and you choose to do it - I don't see why you shouldn't be fined/clamped.

There are lots of reasons why we used to cope without Parent and Child spaces - cars today are on the whole wider, with bigger, heavier doors. We now have to reach right in to buckle our kids into child seats - when we were little we just clambered through the front doors into the back. Plus I'm sure parking spaces are narrower to squeeze as many spaces as possible into car parks.
Personally as long as there was a safe route to the store I wouldn't mind if they put the parent and child spaces further away and left the close spaces to fought over by those with the mentality that they have to park as close as possible.
The worst thing about the parent spaces at my local Sainsburys is that they are miles away from the trolley return point, so once the shopping is in the boot you either have to leave little ones unattended in the car or traipse accross the car park and back with them.

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Personally as long as there was a safe route to the store I wouldn't mind if they put the parent and child spaces further away and left the close spaces to fought over by those with the mentality that they have to park as close as possible.
The worst thing about the parent spaces at my local Sainsburys is that they are miles away from the trolley return point, so once the shopping is in the boot you either have to leave little ones unattended in the car or traipse accross the car park and back with them.

Me as well.

& why don't they have the trolley return ponts closer ?

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[Weggy]

Me as well.

& why don't they have the trolley return ponts closer ?

MTC

Errrrm bit confused by this comment..... P&C and disabled spaces are generally near the entrance of the store - where the biggest trolley return /pickup point is !!!

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Errrrm bit confused by this comment..... P&C and disabled spaces are generally near the entrance of the store - where the biggest trolley return /pickup point is !!!

Hi Weggy

Often, but not always.

At the weekend I parked in a P&T space which was on a slope (thanks Asda, that really helps !), & took a circuitous route to the trolleys which took me across 2 of Asda's internal Car Park roads.

Not a problem for me, but I could imagine it being a pain in the bum for others.

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[chorlton]

I'm sure some supermarkets have a better design, but at my local sainsbury's to get to the trolley point in front of the store from P+C space involves crossing 2 'roads' in car park - including the main exit route - and also involves being out of sight of the car because of a big shrubbery.

[kirkie]

Fantastic!!! I wish my local Asda would do the same, some people have no idea how hard it is to get a car seat or pram out of a small bay.... Well Done Asda....

[hammy the hammer]

people using the parent and toddlers bays need to be close to the child in car when returning the trolley....safety , security and all ....the nearest return bay can be in excess of 100 yds away .

[burbs]

1. Thats your cars, if you are trying to discredit by post you haven't managed it
2. My point was that a lot of people would be turned away by major insurers (e.g if they wanted to transfer insurance from a uk car or wanted a new policy)
3. main agents? as in if i buy an evo of you i can take it to mitsubishi to get it serviced??? ok then i will hold my hands up and say times may have changed
4. on your cars or on all the imports that come over?
5. all that proves is that you know what your cars that you sell need.

Don't know what i am talking about??? charming.

I wasnt trying to discredit your post just merely stating that it was completly untrue, and it was. This post is also untrue as well and we are just going over the same ground.

1. Go to any dealer who deals in imports and they will be able to show you the same as what i can. The rules with regard to imported cars does not just apply to me, it applies to all dealers and will be implemented.

2. A lot of people will be turned away from insurers for many reasons, not only because they drive an import, as i said there are now companies that specialise in imported vehicles. Your argument is what?

3. If you buy an Evo off me today and want to get it services from a main Mitsi dealer tommorrow then they will work on it, that does now happen. Granted it hasnt always been the case but as the import market has risen over past few years so have the oppurtunites for dealers over here.

4. The dealer who is importing the cars into the country is given the option of translating the papers for a fee. It costs me £5 a page. Any dealer who does not translate this is either skint or worried that you wont like what it says. It is the case for all imports.

5. I dont understand your argument. You said has it been converted to UK Spec. I said every import has to be converted before being granted the papers to MOT etc. Therefore if it isnt converted then it isnt road legal and wont be on the road. It is a small job and easy to do.

This is very much off topic but i am just putting these rumours about the dreaded car imports to bed as many people who comment on the situation do not have a clue what they are talking about and this obviously affects my business in the long run. It is no offence meant to you though. Im just stating that some of your "facts" are not true.

[kittykat100]

This is a great thread, and have spent an amusing 10 mins reading it.

Just a question to parents..... Why take your children to Supermarkets, its not fun for anyone! Why not have someone babysit them.
Sorry but I get a bit fed up with the 'poor me I have children syndrome' and I as a childless person who works full time has to pay for the perks, is the last in line for any assistance.grrrrrr

awaits the barrage of abuse.....:)

[Rachie B]

This is a great thread, and have spent an amusing 10 mins reading it.

Just a question to parents..... Why take your children to Supermarkets, its not fun for anyone! Why not have someone babysit them.
Sorry but I get a bit fed up with the 'poor me I have children syndrome' and I as a childless person who works full time has to pay for the perks, is the last in line for any assistance.grrrrrr

awaits the barrage of abuse.....:)


or order online ;) we have been doing this since our youngest son now 4.5 yrs was a baby,last thing we wanted to do on hubbys only day off was to traipse round the supermarket with 2 kids in tow ! lol

[Murphy_The_Cat]

This is a great thread, and have spent an amusing 10 mins reading it.

Just a question to parents..... Why take your children to Supermarkets, its not fun for anyone! Why not have someone babysit them.
Sorry but I get a bit fed up with the 'poor me I have children syndrome' and I as a childless person who works full time has to pay for the perks, is the last in line for any assistance.grrrrrr

awaits the barrage of abuse.....:)

Hi kittykat100
No abuse from me - but mabye because my son should be with me (or his Mum) while we go shopping is probably as good an answer as any.
There is no 'poor me, I have children attitude from me', but I'm a bit confused by 'work full time to pay for the perks' bit. For me, the perks that I get from my son are big smiles & cuddles - but my wife gets these as well and she doesn't work full time.http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/962.gif

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[iwanttosave]

This is a great thread, and have spent an amusing 10 mins reading it.

Just a question to parents..... Why take your children to Supermarkets, its not fun for anyone! Why not have someone babysit them.
Sorry but I get a bit fed up with the 'poor me I have children syndrome' and I as a childless person who works full time has to pay for the perks, is the last in line for any assistance.grrrrrr

awaits the barrage of abuse.....:)


because not everyone has someone that they can dump leave their child with.

My mother lives in Spain, surly you dont expect me to drop them off there? My dad lives about 15 miles away. My grandad could not cope with a 6 year old and a baby. My friends all have children of their own to deal with. My partner works 13 a day except sunday, and I am not going shopping then. Unfortunatly, I do not have countless amounts of money to throw away on a nanny.


If you can think of a way that I can go shopping on my own, then please tell me, I would love to have half an hour to myself all week.

[burbs]

This is a great thread, and have spent an amusing 10 mins reading it.

Just a question to parents..... Why take your children to Supermarkets, its not fun for anyone! Why not have someone babysit them.
Sorry but I get a bit fed up with the 'poor me I have children syndrome' and I as a childless person who works full time has to pay for the perks, is the last in line for any assistance.grrrrrr

awaits the barrage of abuse.....:)

No abuse for you, however i can take my child wherever i please.

[Weggy]

No abuse for you, however i can take my child wherever i please.

As long as they've provided an extra wide parking space for you eh.....

:angry:

[burbs]

As long as they've provided an extra wide parking space for you eh.....

:angry:

Yes please, thats the main reason i had a kid!!!

Instead of worrying about parent and toddler parking spaces and telling people where they can and cant take their children why dont you spend all that time on a hobby or getting a life.

Its a bit tedious that people still moan on and on about this. The supermarkets put the spaces their for a reason and if you dont like it tough. As they say, thats life.

[catkins]

i doubt if the !!!!!!!!s actually get it ....if supermarkets didn't have these bays for disabled people and people with toddlers and they were just 'normal' parking bays the likelihood is they would be full and the 'super !!!!!!!!s' would have the same chance as everyone else of getting the spare place.
" i parked there cause it was the only place in the shade for my dog"
well what the heck would you have done if that space had already been taken?
the best way of all is to licence these bays and have them under local authority (warden) control ...as the only thing that stops the supermarkets acting really tough on the issue is the chance of losing trade.
oh for those worried about getting the car scratched a good tip ...park a bit further away from the store where all the lazy 'Bs' can't be bothered to walk from...works wonders

Well if the space had been taken I would not have bothered shopping there. I don't see why my dog should have to boil in the sun so someone with children can park in an extra large space. By the way there were quite a few empty spaces - I did not take the last one and even if I had - tough. Why do people with children think the whole world revolves around them? As I said I never usually park in a parent and child space but I am sick of getting my car dented from the mindless morons who can't park or open a car door properly and yes I do usually park as far away from the store as possible but maybe where I live the supermarkets are busier because ALL the car parking is usually pretty full.

I spoke to my friend who is a solicitor and she says that supermarkets can fine you for parking in a disabled bay but not a parent and child bay. They may try to but they cannot enforce it

[astonsmummy]

This is a great thread, and have spent an amusing 10 mins reading it.

Just a question to parents..... Why take your children to Supermarkets, its not fun for anyone! Why not have someone babysit them.
Sorry but I get a bit fed up with the 'poor me I have children syndrome' and I as a childless person who works full time has to pay for the perks, is the last in line for any assistance.grrrrrr

awaits the barrage of abuse.....:)
''childless person'' Please when/if you ever have the pleasure of having children come back and have this same argument (am sure you views would change with parenthood):D
Shopping with children is a good thing, it can teach them alot, as for parking, i personally hardly ever get use of P&B spaces as they are always in use, probably by lazy people who cant be bothered to park elswhere.:rolleyes:
And sorry what 'perks' do you pay for?:confused:

[astonsmummy]

As long as they've provided an extra wide parking space for you eh.....

:angry:
You are missing the point, none of us are demanding p&b parking spaces, but when people park there whn the obvioulsy have no children in the car, or for those 'smart alecs' out there, children who cant manage to get in and out the car and seat themselves it gets a bit annoying.

[Weggy]

Its a bit tedious that people still moan on and on about this. The supermarkets put the spaces their for a reason and if you dont like it tough. As they say, thats life.

Correct, so take your own advice and quit moaning about others parking in P&C spaces........

[iwanttosave]

Well if the space had been taken I would not have bothered shopping there. I don't see why my dog should have to boil in the sun so someone with children can park in an extra large space.


Why bring your dog shopping? Leave it at home.

People seem to see it fit to tell us to leave our kids at home.

[burbs]

Correct, so take your own advice and quit moaning about others parking in P&C spaces........

Erm... Never moaned about anyone parking in Parent and Toddler. I was mearly telling someone that i can take my child where i please. Never mentioned the parking spaces.

[astonsmummy]

Why bring your dog shopping? Leave it at home.

People seem to see it fit to tell us to leave our kids at home.
exactly the point i was going to make, you beat me too it! x

[kittykat100]

I don't see many people having 'fun' with their kids in the supermarkets! Most are bored about being dragged round, screaming thier heads off or running round under peoples feet!
Perks I pay for... hmmm.. schooling, free prescriptions, benefits.. could go on and on but I would bore myself lol :)
I don't want to sound horrid but just wanted to make my points. I have no wish to join the parent community ..... yet! and yes I am sure my attitude will change then.. but everyones entitled to an opinion. :)

[astonsmummy]

sorry, i didnt realise that you was born an adult and hadnt used any 'perks'.

[rdwarr]

Perks I pay for... hmmm.. schooling, free prescriptions, benefits.. could go on and on but I would bore myself lol :)

But it will be MY kids who pay for your pension and healthcare after retirement.

[kittykat100]

This is true :)

[perc]

I think its great that they are doing this. I saw two fatties parking in a disabled bay at Tescos today just so they didnt have to walk the extra whole 10 yards!

[Weggy]

But it will be MY kids who pay for your pension and healthcare after retirement.

You not heard that state pensions are being axed then?

[ddavis]

You sure its not a spoof ticket? As far as I know you aren't illegally parked in a supermarket car park for parking in a mother and toddlers space or a disabled bay, just morally wrong. I find it hard to believe that Supermarkets would try to drive away customers with fines. Check its genuine before paying. I know some have time limits to stop people parking and going to work but this sounds a bit suspect.

Depends if the car park is 'managed'

eg: euro car parks now run my tescos.


Bound to offend half the site with this but i'm a believer in equality to the true sense of the word. IE: No priority parking for anyone. No special queues. Etc etc. Everybody should have an equal chance. Why should somebody with a gammy leg or a toddler with them (don't they have trollies for this?) be given a priority parking space right by the door when i have to park 3 miles around the corner in the next available space?

[hammy the hammer]

Depends if the car park is 'managed'

eg: euro car parks now run my tescos.


Bound to offend half the site with this but i'm a believer in equality to the true sense of the word. IE: No priority parking for anyone. No special queues. Etc etc. Everybody should have an equal chance. Why should somebody with a gammy leg or a toddler with them (don't they have trollies for this?) be given a priority parking space right by the door when i have to park 3 miles around the corner in the next available space?

you're on a wind-up surely ?

[iwanttosave]

Depends if the car park is 'managed'

eg: euro car parks now run my tescos.


Bound to offend half the site with this but i'm a believer in equality to the true sense of the word. IE: No priority parking for anyone. No special queues. Etc etc. Everybody should have an equal chance. Why should somebody with a gammy leg or a toddler with them (don't they have trollies for this?) be given a priority parking space right by the door when i have to park 3 miles around the corner in the next available space?


Wow your Asda must be massive.

[hammy the hammer]

Well if the space had been taken I would not have bothered shopping there. I don't see why my dog should have to boil in the sun so someone with children can park in an extra large space. By the way there were quite a few empty spaces - I did not take the last one and even if I had - tough. Why do people with children think the whole world revolves around them? As I said I never usually park in a parent and child space but I am sick of getting my car dented from the mindless morons who can't park or open a car door properly and yes I do usually park as far away from the store as possible but maybe where I live the supermarkets are busier because ALL the car parking is usually pretty full.

I spoke to my friend who is a solicitor and she says that supermarkets can fine you for parking in a disabled bay but not a parent and child bay. They may try to but they cannot enforce it

i'll try and explain ...the reason that you found more than a couple of empty spaces in the parent and toddlers part of the car park is down to the fact that on the whole there's still a majority of people in this country who are reasonable and rationale . they park in the part of the car park that they should ...they don't invent little personal sub-rules to justify doing what they shouldn't be doing.....if those toddlers spaces were a free for all the chances are you wouldn't have got one.
some people think they are very clever ...i can assure you it's not a lack of intelligence that stops me steering my vehicle into disabled and toddlers spaces....it's physically and mentally no more demanding than steering into any other space.
if it's any help it's not recommended to take your dog shopping in the car when it's boiling outside. if these spaces had been allocated for your use they would call them "stop dogs boiling in car spaces"...i don't see it catching on at tesco's.
i refer you to this comment of yours

" As I said I never usually park in a parent and child space but I am sick of getting my car dented from the MINDLESS MORONS who can't park or open a car door properly "

you've joined their club

[livinginhope]

I think its great that they are doing this. I saw two fatties parking in a disabled bay at Tescos today just so they didnt have to walk the extra whole 10 yards!
This sort of judgmental attitude makes my blood boil,you know nothing about these people and they were probably genuinely disabled,someones weight has nothing to do with where they park,many disabled people become overweight because they are not able to do any exercise and/or medication,doesn't mean they are lazy.
The problem with these allocated spaces is so many people abuse them they assume everyone else is too.The reasons for these spaces is obvious,the law states children have to be in car seats,it is not easy to strap a child in a seat in an ordinary space,there just isn't room,and disabled spaces,why would I have to explain the need for these? why should a person who is unable to walk far be made to walk across a car park to do some shopping,yes they could do it online,but many disabled people are elderly and going shopping can sometimes be the only time they see other people and get out.
Just park in the right place at the right time and stop abusing the system!

[perc]

This sort of judgmental attitude makes my blood boil,you know nothing about these people and they were probably genuinely disabled,someones weight has nothing to do with where they park,many disabled people become overweight because they are not able to do any exercise and/or medication,doesn't mean they are lazy.
The problem with these allocated spaces is so many people abuse them they assume everyone else is too.The reasons for these spaces is obvious,the law states children have to be in car seats,it is not easy to strap a child in a seat in an ordinary space,there just isn't room,and disabled spaces,why would I have to explain the need for these? why should a person who is unable to walk far be made to walk across a car park to do some shopping,yes they could do it online,but many disabled people are elderly and going shopping can sometimes be the only time they see other people and get out.
Just park in the right place at the right time and stop abusing the system!

Lol they were overweight, they displayed no disabled badge and they parked right next to the store in a disabled space when there were loads of spaces a short walk away. In my opinion that makes them lazy fatties. If they were disabled then wouldnt they have a disabled badge :confused:

[Murphy_The_Cat]

Depends if the car park is 'managed'

eg: euro car parks now run my tescos.


Bound to offend half the site with this but i'm a believer in equality to the true sense of the word. IE: No priority parking for anyone. No special queues. Etc etc. Everybody should have an equal chance. Why should somebody with a gammy leg or a toddler with them (don't they have trollies for this?) be given a priority parking space right by the door when i have to park 3 miles around the corner in the next available space?


You'd be as fit as a butchers dog after you've returned your trolley.

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[January Embers]

I don't see many people having 'fun' with their kids in the supermarkets! Most are bored about being dragged round, screaming thier heads off or running round under peoples feet!
Perks I pay for... hmmm.. schooling, free prescriptions, benefits.. could go on and on but I would bore myself lol :)
I don't want to sound horrid but just wanted to make my points. I have no wish to join the parent community ..... yet! and yes I am sure my attitude will change then.. but everyones entitled to an opinion. :)

I do not get free prescriptions, never have. I have a 4 year daughter who was adopted at 20 months, so we didn't qualify, didn't matter to us, we just wanted a child of our own.
I'm now on DLA (Disability Living Allowance), a benefit NOT a perk and the only benefit I am in receipt of. How DARE you call benefits a 'perk'. I did not choose to be on DLA and it is most certainly not a perk :angry: .
Try living and paying bills on benefits and you will see how hard it is.

[waster]

But it will be MY kids who pay for your pension and healthcare after retirement.

Sorry, but I thought that was what I paid my National Insurance for! If the Government chose to waste MY money now or use it to subsidise something else (like your children(s) education and/or child benefit) then that is not my problem. I have/will, however, probably paid in more than I am likely to use or take out, health willing. Remember, currently we all get the same pension regardless of how much we've paid in, so some will always have paid in more than others.

Basically I have no problem with the way the Social system works in this country (does not mean I support it 100%), but some people do have trouble understanding how it works and who is paying for who!!!

[Fleago]

Apropos "boiling dogs in the sun" parking places, the House of Bruar shop in Scotland actually has some of these, as does the Eden Project in Cornwall. :)