Used Car problems

[Izabel]

Hi

Can anyone advise us if we can do anything about a used car we bought less than a month ago that has 3 faults already, and is going to cost £600+ to fix.

We bought it trade and as far as I'm aware it didn't come with any warranty.

Is there anything we can do?

[harveybobbles]

Go back to the trader you bought it from, perhaps? Or do you mean it was sold as seen, no warranty given or implyed?

[Izabel]

I've got a sale invoice and nothing is mentioned about warranty.

[BYALPHAINDIA]

Go back to the trader you bought it from, perhaps? Or do you mean it was sold as seen, no warranty given or implyed?

No the Trader etc would 'Have washed their hands of it' so it wouldn't be the solution.

Second hand is 'Sold as seen' usually so it is experience at the end of the day!

If it is going to cost 600 or so to repair then, I would just get rid and go and get something else probably in better condition?

When you buy a car it is 'Imperative' that you have a good look over it before simply driving it away..hum!!

Sometimes the Trader/s will try and 'Hurry' you thru and or distract your attention and leave you without checking thoroughly the car out.

You can get a good runabout for no more than 500 squid!!

Buying a car is one of Life's Learning Curves I'm afraid!!

Good Luck Anyway.

[pgilc1]

Long time since i seen a post as inaccurate and misleading as this one.. :confused:



No the Trader etc would 'Have washed their hands of it' so it wouldn't be the solution.

Second hand is 'Sold as seen' usually so it is experience at the end of the day!



A trader cant just 'not give a warranty' - by law they have to give private buyers a warranty.

Nor can they 'wash their hands of it'



If it is going to cost 600 or so to repair then, I would just get rid and go and get something else probably in better condition?



Can you imagine the hit someone would take buying from a trader then trying to sell it on immediately??

Also are you proposing not telling any prospective buyer about the problems??



You can get a good runabout for no more than 500 squid!!

Good Luck Anyway.



I'm not sure of the relevance of this? A £500 runabout is likely to be riddled with faults, plus they already have a car?

[pgilc1]

Hi

Can anyone advise us if we can do anything about a used car we bought less than a month ago that has 3 faults already, and is going to cost £600+ to fix.

We bought it trade and as far as I'm aware it didn't come with any warranty.

Is there anything we can do?

Can you give us a little more info?

What price did you pay for the car?

What is the car?

What are the faults?

Where did you get the quote to fix?

Personally, i'd be taking it back to the trader and being firm about them fixing it. I think the minimum warranty they have to give on any car is 3 months. The only exception would be if you bought a 'banger', ie, something really cheap at just a few hundred pounds, then i think they could argue its down to the cars age and not a fault as such.

[Money_Grabber13579]

I imagine if it's a proper garage i.e. Volvo, Ford etc, they would give a limited 6 months warranty as they are supposed to check cars before they sell them.

[BYALPHAINDIA]

No, They don't have to give any warranty when selling a second hand car.

Some say that there is only a months warranty, But that is 'Verbal' and not in 'Writing'

Anybody can say anything.

It doesn't matter how much you pay for a car and it's age it depends on how well it has been looked after previously?

Why would a Trader/s want to be 'Bothered' about a car he/she sold a month or 6 months ago?

They just sell them.

[BYALPHAINDIA]

I imagine if it's a proper garage i.e. Volvo, Ford etc, they would give a limited 6 months warranty as they are supposed to check cars before they sell them.

99.9% will check out the cars before putting them on the forecourt, But sadly there are some Trader/s who don't.

If you do get any warranty then you have to get it in 'Writing'

[pgilc1]

No, They don't have to give any warranty when selling a second hand car.

Some say that there is only a months warranty, But that is 'Verbal' and not in 'Writing'

Anybody can say anything.

It doesn't matter how much you pay for a car and it's age it depends on how well it has been looked after previously?

Why would a Trader/s want to be 'Bothered' about a car he/she sold a month or 6 months ago?

They just sell them.

You have statutory rights and are protected by the sale of goods act.

Even IF the trader had put 'sold as seen' or 'trade sale' then the O/P is STILL within their rights to bring the car back as it is not of merchantable quality.

Its not up to the trader to be 'bothered' or not. They have legal obligations. Please read up on the sale of goods act and statutory rights when buying a car before putting nonsense like this on here.

[Francesanne]

Bit late now but did you get it inspected by AA or RAC before you purchased?

[pgilc1]

http://www.bangorholywoodtcm.co.uk/StatutoryRights.htm

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=49548

The bottom line is, its up to the trader to prove that the faults werent there at time of sale. I would say good luck with that to them.

[LandyAndy]

http://www.bangorholywoodtcm.co.uk/StatutoryRights.htm

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=49548

The bottom line is, its up to the trader to prove that the faults werent there at time of sale. I would say good luck with that to them.

Except that the op specifically says that they bought it 'trade' not as a private buyer from a trader.

I don't see how a trade sale is covered by the SoG Act.

[MrSmartprice]

No the Trader etc would 'Have washed their hands of it' so it wouldn't be the solution.

Second hand is 'Sold as seen' usually so it is experience at the end of the day!

If it is going to cost 600 or so to repair then, I would just get rid and go and get something else probably in better condition?

When you buy a car it is 'Imperative' that you have a good look over it before simply driving it away..hum!!

Sometimes the Trader/s will try and 'Hurry' you thru and or distract your attention and leave you without checking thoroughly the car out.

You can get a good runabout for no more than 500 squid!!

Buying a car is one of Life's Learning Curves I'm afraid!!

Good Luck Anyway.

What absolute utter rubbish some people are prepared to post!:confused:

Does the term 'statutory rights' ring any bells?

I accept there is a low expectation with a cheap car, but it must still be of reasonable quality considering age and price, fit for purpose, and as described.

Most importantly, it must be roadworthy, which means it should be able to pass an MOT test. It is a criminal offence to sell an unroadworthy car, unless sold for scrap. (This applies to everyone, not just traders.)

It is also a criminal offence to attempt to remove statutory rights. This includes stating 'Sold As Seen' on an invoice. That phrase, as well as being illegal, has no meaning or weight in civil law. Trade sales are not covered by the same legislation, but a trader cannot sell in this way to a non-trader just to escape his liabilities.

[Inactive]

99.9% will check out the cars before putting them on the forecourt, But sadly there are some Trader/s who don't.

If you do get any warranty then you have to get it in 'Writing'

Do you always give bad advice on here?

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.:mad:

[anewman]

I'm not sure of the relevance of this? A £500 runabout is likely to be riddled with faults, plus they already have a car?
I got a £0 runabout with very few faults, certainly nothing expensive. 3 years on and it needed a small amount of welding which cost me £25 to get a family member to do, but think that probably means it's time to get rid before the next MOT (I guess it will just keep rotting now it's started). Not bad for £0. Would have been happy if I paid £500 for it.

[BYALPHAINDIA]

Do you always give bad advice on here?

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.:mad:

That's just YOUR opinion..hum!!

Think CAREFULLY before you attack other people's opinions.

As it can cause lasting impressions?

[MrSmartprice]

That's just YOUR opinion..hum!!

Think CAREFULLY before you attack other people's opinions.

As it can cause lasting impressions?

We are not talking about your opinions! We are talking about your advice which is simply based on inaccuracies which you reel off as facts.

Your opinions are of no interest or importance. But when you tell people information which is just plain wrong, those who know the facts are entitled to point that out.

I can see no point in you reeling off all this rubbish and drivel. You clearly have not got the faintest idea about consumer law so why misinform people who are genuinely seeking advice?

Your advice was wrong! And that is not an opinion, it is fact!

[Inactive]

That's just YOUR opinion..hum!!

Think CAREFULLY before you attack other people's opinions.

As it can cause lasting impressions?

If you were giving an " opinion " you should have stated it as such, it read as fact to me, which was incorrect fact, no help to anyone, it isn't the first time that you have posted utter drivel on here either.

I do hope that it does " cause lasting impressions ", perhaps you will now stop misleading people.:mad:

[BYALPHAINDIA]

Oh Dear,

So you are saying that EVERY car dealer goes by the Book of consumer law then?

Because coming from experience, Some of the used car traders I have dealt with go by their OWN law.

If someone pays 2 - 400 pounds for a car I doubt that they will expect the Trader/s to be sympethetic or refund any money as the car is sold as seen?

They could however make a claim in the small claims court against the Trader/s if they refused help to repair the car etc.

When I have bought used cars, They always said it is sold as seen before we shook hands on a deal.

I never expected any warranty and if so not more than 1 months warranty.

But I know what faults to spot on a used car, So I have never had any major problems with Trader/s.

I notice that you have x amount of posts on here, But I don't think that you are qualified to say that my replies are 'Illinformed.

This forum is for different opinions to be aired.

This is not the first axe grind with you is it...?

[Inactive]

When I have bought used cars, They always said it is sold as seen before we shook hands on a deal.

I never expected any warranty and if so not more than 1 months warranty.




What you are happy with, and what a customer has a legal right to, are clearly 2 different things.


Stick with correct facts, not your opinion.

[MrSmartprice]

Oh Dear,

So you are saying that EVERY car dealer goes by the Book of consumer law then?

Because coming from experience, Some of the used car traders I have dealt with go by their OWN law.

If someone pays 2 - 400 pounds for a car I doubt that they will expect the Trader/s to be sympethetic or refund any money as the car is sold as seen?

They could however make a claim in the small claims court against the Trader/s if they refused help to repair the car etc.

When I have bought used cars, They always said it is sold as seen before we shook hands on a deal.

I never expected any warranty and if so not more than 1 months warranty.

But I know what faults to spot on a used car, So I have never had any major problems with Trader/s.

I notice that you have x amount of posts on here, But I don't think that you are qualified to say that my replies are 'Illinformed.

This forum is for different opinions to be aired.

This is not the first axe grind with you is it...?

You really do beggar belief! You may well be a 'Junkpile Jockey' when it comes to motoring, that much is obvious. But your poverty seems to extend to your knowledge of the law, too.

'Sold as Seen' is an illegal statement, under the 'Consumer Transactions (Restrictions on Statements) Regulations. Traders can, and have been, prosecuted for this practice as it seeks to deny the purchaser their rights. How difficult is that to understand?

And just for the record, I was a Trading Standards Officer for 25 years, a job which requires a statutory qualification. So, yes, I am qualified to tell you that your statements are wrong, and that you are talking rubbish.:p

As for grinding axes with you, why would I bother......:D

[pgilc1]

Except that the op specifically says that they bought it 'trade' not as a private buyer from a trader.

I don't see how a trade sale is covered by the SoG Act.

If the buyer is a private buyer, then whether or not is was described as a 'trade' sale by the trader, then the O/P has statutory rights as they are a private buyer.

The term 'trade sale' is used often by traders as a way to get out of their obligations.

[Chippy Minton]

Seems like we have different views on what a trade sale is.

Do we know what problems the car has?

[pgilc1]

Seems like we have different views on what a trade sale is.

Do we know what problems the car has?

I'm an ex car trader, so i recall the intricacies well.

It does as you say though depend on what the problems are, and also the cost of the car. If its a blown exhaust on a £300 banger, then thats a different ball game to a faulty ECU on a £10K car.

Unfortunately the O/P hasnt come back to update us in the meantime - so we'll just make it up and argue about it anyway :D

[MrSmartprice]

If the buyer is a private buyer, then whether or not is was described as a 'trade' sale by the trader, then the O/P has statutory rights as they are a private buyer.

The term 'trade sale' is used often by traders as a way to get out of their obligations.

The use of the term 'trade sale' would be unlawful if it was clearly a sale to a consumer. As you say, it is another way of trying to avoid the law. Traders selling from home also try to disguise the fact that they are traders, another offence. A court would regard a 'trade sale' as a transaction between two buisnesses, even if not both car dealers.

Even private sellers have some obligations under the law. They cannot sell a car in an unroadworthy condition. Also, they are not completely exempt under Sale of Goods legislation. The 'as described' provisions apply to traders and individuals alike. So if a private seller says something like 'excellent condition' in an advertisement the buyer has a comeback.