Free Iams Measure

[Fenris]

Hi all,

I've been lurking for a few weeks so thought now would be a good time to join up to the forum!

Nothing too exciting, but if you're owned by a cat or dog this may come in useful:

Iams Measure (http://www.iams.com/en_BI/jhtmls/registration/FPP_MeasuringCups/sw_Registration_page.jhtml?li=en_BI&bc=I&pi=259)

Happy scooping! :beer:

Edit: After the post below from hawkwinddotcom I feel I must apologise if this freebe might offend anyone. I must stress that I was previously unaware of any wrongdoing by Iams and simply thought this would be a nice offer to start my posting with. Sorry for any offence that may have, inadvertantly, been caused. I will leave this post for the moderators to decide it's fate.

Fenris.

[hawkwinddotcom]

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

The IAMS Company have funded and participated in laboratory experiments on hundreds of animals that caused kidney failure, obesity, malnutrition, liver damage, severe allergic reactions, stomach inflammation, diarrhoea, severe skin disorders, lesions, skin wounds and other painful illnesses, and animals have been kept in barren dungeon-like conditions.

Dogs have been force-fed vegetable oil, had chunks of muscle removed from their thighs, and been 'de-barked' by having their voice-boxes cut out in a painful and bloody procedure.


Make your own mind up

[Fenris]

Well...there's nothing like a nice, friendly welcome to a forum is there?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm 100% against animal testing and I had no idea that Iams were involved in this, but perhaps a PM would have been more appropriate?

I didn't expect a slap 'round the face after only one post. After all, I was only trying to add to the community with a freebe... :confused:

[Father_Adi]

Well i say thanks. Too many ppl on here waiting to slap ppl down at the first opportunity. It's okay being all moralistic if you can afford to be.

[hawkwinddotcom]

OK

Sorry

:grouphug:

[Fenris]

I've added a little edit to my original post so as to indicate that I was unaware of Iams testing. If the moderators feel that this offer should be removed, then that's fine.

I've never been on a forum and instantly caused a fuss! Lol! ;)

[Kangol Rat]

why thank you!

[spikey1966]

thanx fenris for this link, just ordered mine

spikey 1966 :T :T :j

[spa2k]

ordered mine and thanked the wrong person, thanks Fenris!!

[thewizard]

Well i say thanks. Too many ppl on here waiting to slap ppl down at the first opportunity. It's okay being all moralistic if you can afford to be.

I totally agree with you, we are all being nice to each other when we want something but that comment was just out of order. I to am against animal testing but I am also against cruelty to humans. Im not trying to be nasty but when someone trys to offer something shouldn't be met like that.

Ive ordered mine! Thanks mate!!

[raymond]

Not that I am pro animal testing or anything, but what these type of web sites do not tell you is that some companies test their products on animals ro make sure they are safe, other companies do not do the research so the products are effectively being tested on your pet ... think about it.

[jat100]

Thank you to Fenris for posting a freebie.......but also, thank you to hawkwinddotcom as I wasn't aware of the information about IAMS (although maybe your post could have been a little less confrontational to the original poster). :smiley:

raymond, I hear what you're saying about other companies not doing "the research so the products are effectively being tested on your pet" but I'm pretty sure that there aren't many pet owners who would do this to their pets: ".... force-fed vegetable oil, had chunks of muscle removed from their thighs, and been 'de-barked' by having their voice-boxes cut out in a painful and bloody procedure.", so it's not quite the same.......

[penrhyn]

I am currently weening my cats off iams have read about their practices here http://www.iamscruelty.com/.

[Strepsy]

I have just been having a look on the Iams website as I was concerned about the earlier claims on this thread.

It's a bit too long to copy on to here but here are the links for what they have to say on animal research testing.

http://www.iams.co.uk/en_BI/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?qi=2023&bc=I&li=en_BI&pti=FQ

http://www.iams.co.uk/en_BI/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?qi=2171&bc=I&li=en_BI&pti=FQ

I have 2 bags of Iams in my cupboards but will have the time to research this further before I buy more. I'm sure I'm probably buying from brands with unethical animal research practises in ignorance but I guess knowing about it, I might think twice before buying again. :confused:

[Fenris]

Having looked closely at the site, if you click here (http://www.uncaged.co.uk/petfood.htm) it tells you that almost all the petfood you buy from the supermarket comes from this kind of research background. If that's the case, then that website is basicly telling us that we can't feed our pets! They list Felix, Whiskas and Go-Cat, amoungst others, all of which I feed my cat! The ones they say are fine are the ones I've never heard of!

It's all good and well telling us to boycott the brands we know, but if we can't actually FIND the brands they say are fine to feed what are supposed to do? Starve our furry friends?

I have to admit, I'm not convinced by their claims. I'll be contacting both the RSPCA and The Blue Cross for more info as I support both of these organisations . I did have a quick look at the RSPCA's website last night and found no reference to Iams, even in their archive section.

And, I'm glad that, at least, some of you found the offer useful! :)

[penrhyn]

If you go onto the PETA website you can find petfoods not tested on animals, I've copied it here.

Burns Pet Nutrition
01554 890482
www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk

Europa Pet Foods Ltd
08456 580987
www.europa-pet-food.co.uk

Fromm Family Foods
www.frommfamily.com
Available in the UK from Postal Pet Products Ltd
01531 633985
www.postalpetsproducts.co.uk

Harbingers of a New Age
(completely vegan)
www.vegepet.com
available in the UK through the Vegan Society
01424 427393
www.vegansociety.com

Leander International Pet Foods Ltd
01273 833390
www.ardengrange.com

Naturediet Pet Foods Ltd
08700 132955
www.nature-diet.co.uk

Top Number
08000 182955

Trophy Pet Foods
01367 243434
www.trophypetfoods.co.uk

Yarrah Organic Petfood B.V. (has vegetarian options)—NEW
+31 341 432736
www.yarrah.com

Personally I'm using Burns, they will send you samples if you e-mail them.

[spa2k]

If you go onto the PETA website you can find petfoods not tested on animals,

So you use petfood not tested on animals....does that mean that you are now testing an untested food on Your animals???

[Red_Elle]

The ingredients in commercial pet foods are such that they are potentially dangerous and yes most major companies test on animals.
There is a big difference between the animal testing that most do and the tests that Iams does. A lot of animal rescue organisations have boycotted Iams because of this.

Natural foods, like Yarrah and Burns are more expensive, but do not contain potentially harmful additives, so they do not require testing. Yarrah is mostly protein from organic meats, so to test that would be like testing dogs and cats after eating chicken that we might eat ourselves.

I looked into changing the diets of my animals some time ago, not just because of the animal testing, but because of the vast amount of inedible crap that goes into the pet food. I can highly recommend both Burns and Yarrah. Yarrah is the only food I have been able to feel one of my cats who seems to have a severe allergy to something in most pet foods.

[Red_Elle]

Well i say thanks. Too many ppl on here waiting to slap ppl down at the first opportunity. It's okay being all moralistic if you can afford to be.

I don't think it has anything to do with being moralistic, the second poster was just arming people with facts. If people love animals then surely they want to be aware of this. The OP was not aware and now is. I have been in a position where I had enough money for food for me or my dog (long time ago) and I fed the dog, but not with IAMS! It's not the cheapest on the market anyway. Burns will send you out free samples if you ask and it actually worked out cheaper for me than a lot of other foods anyway.

[crofty]

Did anyone else have problems entering into town name into address line 2? it seems only 4 characters limit , what silly muppet created that form , some 14 year old between his 30th bowl of cholocate cerals. :D
only joking about the 30th bowl. But who test these things before they all let loss on the general public.
I would have been shot in my previous life as a computer programming for having a field limit of 4 characters on an addressline2 field.

[jos22]

Yes, totally out of order, but at least an apology. Have ordered mine.

Being a new member, I too have noticed criticism, usually because somone has posted an item previously posted. Better to post many times than not at all. :T :T :T :T

[Father_Adi]

I also agree with the adage - better to post many times than not at all. I also agree there are cheaper dog foods than iams, surely though this bit of the forum is for freebies - not whether or not samples/freebies are morally correct. If that were the case - we'd all be championing freetrade products whenever one of their range IE tea bags was posted as a freebie etc. This thread should have been a simple one about the fact iams have a free sample going, instead it turned into how iams make their product and animal testing.

In summary, thanks Fenris for the post, well done to hawkwindot for apologising. Sorry for blagging on. End of.

[thewizard]

Did anyone else have problems entering into town name into address line 2? it seems only 4 characters limit , what silly muppet created that form , some 14 year old between his 30th bowl of cholocate cerals. :D
only joking about the 30th bowl. But who test these things before they all let loss on the general public.
I would have been shot in my previous life as a computer programming for having a field limit of 4 characters on an addressline2 field.
Yeah I had this problem what sort of web designer does that?

Edit:

I think this thread should be locked as it is going a bit off topic.

[Strepsy]

Bit of a long one. Got this reply from Iams after I'd emailed them about the research information. I know it is off topic but this topic has raised concerns and this will give the company's view of things.

Dear Stephanie

Thank you for taking the time to contact us about our nutritional feeding
studies. You've received some incorrect and outdated information. An extreme
activist organisation continues a misleading campaign featuring footage
that's more than 2 years old of a facility we no longer use. This inaccurate
account includes examples of dogs and cats that were not part of our
studies, and makes claims of activities that we never authorised.

We want to be perfectly clear: Iams will not fund or participate in any
study requiring or resulting in the euthanasia of cats or dogs. This
principle is just one of eight points in our strict research policy that is
approved by an independent Animal Care Advisory Board. The members of our
Advisory Board are from respected animal welfare organisations such as the
ASPCA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). We chose these
individuals because they share our interest in reducing, refining, and
replacing animals in research.

In addition, the Advisory Board conducts unannounced visits to review the
care and welfare of the dogs and cats participating in our feeding studies
at our internal and external sites.

To see a summary of recent facility reports, to view video footage of
animals in our care, or to review our research policy, please visit our web
site at www.iamstruth.com.

You can also see a facility report by utilizing the following URL:

http:www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iamsresearch

Other important information we'd like to share:
We support the ultimate elimination of laboratory feeding studies as
scientifically valid alternatives become available. Iams is actively working
with external partners to develop new research methods in pet nutrition
which do not require laboratory feeding studies.


By October 2006, we will transition our nutritional feeding studies to be
limited to just three kinds of locations: pet owners' homes, our Animal Care
Centre and trusted partners where dogs and cats already have homes, such as
shelters and assistance dog organisations.

We have broken ground on an innovative animal care facility expansion that
incorporates feedback from our independent International Animal Care
Advisory Board.

The new facility will include: enhanced dog living quarters, increased
natural lighting and a dog park, among other amenities.

Continuous improvement is a key strategy and we will continue to develop
reliable in-home methodologies and alternatives along with mutually
beneficial relationships with trusted partners who maintain dogs and cats.
We are taking full responsibility for the destiny of all dogs and cats that
participate in our feeding studies at both internal and external sites. Our
dogs and cats are either adopted into loving homes or placed in the Iams
retirement centre when they no longer participate in our feeding studies.
This is unprecedented in the pet arena; we know of no other company that is
taking this level of responsibility for the ongoing well-being of all dogs
and cats with whom they work.
We are proactively sharing the Iams Welfare Program for dogs and cats in an
effort to make it the norm. An Iams Behaviorist has shared our socialisation
and enrichment program with shelters, veterinarians and others to illustrate
that it's possible to enrich and socialise in such an environment. In
addition, we recently presented our program to others in the pet food
industry. We are committed to continual improvement in this area and are
looking to adopt best practices in animal care and nutritional research
wherever they are created. We will continue to actively search and reapply
good ideas from around the world.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact us and for giving us the
opportunity to respond with the facts. If you need further information or
have specific questions, please visit our web site or contact our Care Line
on 0800 426 785. Don't hesitate to ask for me personally.

Kind Regards


Iams Consumer Care

[dribsndrabs]

Can I say first that I didn't feel that hawkwind (or whoever it was) was attempting to put to the op - i think this is a great forum and i have very rarely seen any agnostic comments.

It's a fair point that there are 2 sides to every story - I don't mean to jump on any band wagon but what I would say is be very careful and read between the lines with what many companies state re: their ethics/procedures. Many procedures can take place in alternative countries that do not prohibit its use - I am not suggesting that this is the case with this company.

Previously and very recently, I have approached reputable professionals in the field - vets, lecturers, ex-employees of related companies and charities - a common theme has emerged that such procedures do take place. I am not in a position to offer any evidence but I was advised to not buy from iams, whiskas, and other "commercial" companies as a result of the perceived procedures (if that is the right wording)....anyway, in short - if anyone is concerned about this, try Burns pet food which is holistic. there are other companies too but i found out about burns on this website - have a flitter through this forum and there should be a link to it as a freebie - they send quite ample sizes!!

anyway - for what was a well-meaning post, i am sorry that it has become more serious. i am on the "don't test on animals" fence but i respect other people's views.

i personally thank the op and hawkwind (or whoever it was...must remember to actually find out the name) for putting 2 sides to a freebie - it's good politics haha

:rolleyes: