Car accident - who's fault is it?

[chab1990]

try and follow me here its really complicated:

I had stopped to drop a friend of at the shops. i stopped in a marked bay on the left hand side. the friend got out, went to the shop. i then pulled out so that i could turn the car around somewhere (this is on a normal road with a few shops).

There were these big groups of young teenagers messing around on the other side of the road on the pavement and in parking areas and i couldnt turn in. i got annoyed an i pulled over onto the kerb on double yellow lines about 15 metres before a bend to the left.

after thirty seconds or so, i saw a road ahead on the right and i decided to pull out again in order to turn in there. i signalled right and i looked behind me, no one was there and the big group of teenagers were crossing the road and therefore blocking the left hand side.

i started to pull out and as i did, suddenly this nissan sports car turns up from nowhere and we collided into each other sideways. he came up to me and said sorry and that he was "trying to swerve aroudn those f*cking idiots (the teenagers). he had gone onto the other side of the road and back round again and for that i could not see him in my mirror or behind me.

also the friend and her sister saw the whole thing and they sayt that he swerved around the group of teens which he shouldnt have done. he should have waited.

who's fault do you think it is. please help me out here i am going out of my mind!!!

[tinkerbell84]

I'd say both of your faults and an unhappy coincidence that he crossed lanes as you pulled out. You were both in the wrong.

Was this day or night time?

[Poppy9]

That's for your insurance companies to decide. Doesn't matter what you or other people think the only people who will decide are the insurers.

PS don't admit to being annoyed as you could be accused of road rage etc.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

yours as you were manoeuvring (in my opinion)

I would imagine the rule book would say you should of anticipated the other car potenitally coming. (in my opinion)

[chab1990]

it was at night. i mean surely he should have stopped for this group of children right? also this was a big group of people like at least ten or more and they were covering up at least half the road, my side of the road. he dosent deny this. he is just using the double lines thing as a defence

[tinkerbell84]

how come you didn't see his lights? how come he didn't see yours?

[Inactive]

it was at night. i mean surely he should have stopped for this group of children right? also this was a big group of people like at least ten or more and they were covering up at least half the road, my side of the road. he dosent deny this. he is just using the double lines thing as a defence

Sorry,

Nobody on here is going to be able to give you an exact answer, as they were not present at the accident.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

deffo yours as you admit they were covering half of the road, he was on the road, you manoeuvred out into his path, you should of stayed still until you could see it was safe

Im sorry that you had a prang!

[mymatebob]

it was at night. i mean surely he should have stopped for this group of children right? also this was a big group of people like at least ten or more and they were covering up at least half the road, my side of the road. he dosent deny this. he is just using the double lines thing as a defence

He may have been effectively overtaking them as they were an obstacle in his path and he drove round them.

I don't think that you need to stop for everything in a road you are allowed to manoeuvre around things.

Just an opinion but it might end up being your "fault" but only the insurers will decide not any of us on here - sorry

[chab1990]

it was the huge crowd of idiots. i couldnt see him cos he was on the wrong side of the road, therefore out of my entire eye sight and he couldn't see me cos he was to busy swerving sround the people and cusing at them. the next thing we know, we ramming along side each other.

[tinkerbell84]

if the "huge crowd of idiots" was blocking your view, you shouldn't have moved off!

[mymatebob]

Not the "huge crowd of idiots" fault - you can be sure of that

[chab1990]

yeh but these are pedestrians not an object. its like in zebra crossings. even when they pass you, you cant drive on can you. you have to wait. he just decided that he couldnt be bothered to stop.

[mymatebob]

just like you couldn't be bothered to wait to see if the road was clear

[tinkerbell84]

yeh but these are pedestrians not an object. its like in zebra crossings. even when they pass you, you cant drive on can you. you have to wait. he just decided that he couldnt be bothered to stop.

and you couldn't be bothered to wait for your friend before turning around

or bothering to stop where there were no double yellow lines (which sound like they were there for a reason) - why don't they apply to you?

or to turn in a suitable place where you have good visibility

you can't sue the pedestrians, so forget about that!

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

so if the group of yobs was a parked lorry you would of just sat there until it moved?

[chab1990]

if the "huge crowd of idiots" was blocking your view, you shouldn't have moved off!

yeh but they were behind me, there was no car at all, why would i have moved off. he was actually in fact still behind the pedestrians as i was looking. cos he was drivin so fast he got around them as i was pulling out.

btw he was driving a sports car. and im sure he sped around them. i was only going at five to ten mph he was at bout 25 to thirty but it was the impact of the collision that slowed him down. also effectively he hit me as his car wasnt damaged.

[mymatebob]

Aha - so he was a speeding motorist in a fast fancy car - that makes all the difference - his fault no doubt about it!;)

[tinkerbell84]

yeh but they were behind me, there was no car at all, why would i have moved off. he was actually in fact still behind the pedestrians as i was looking. cos he was drivin so fast he got around them as i was pulling out.

btw he was driving a sports car. and im sure he sped around them. i was only going at five to ten mph he was at bout 25 to thirty but it was the impact of the collision that slowed him down. also effectively he hit me as his car wasnt damaged.

doesn't matter what he was driving, nor how fast as speed wasn't the cause of this accident.

you should have a) heard him, b) seen his lights, c) waited for the obstruction to move out of your way before moving.

are you insured third party by any chance?

[chab1990]

thats the worst part. yep im insured third party fire adn theft. and there was no obstruction.

this was happening behind me, do you understand, there was nothing in front of me. NOTHING.....

[Inactive]

This thread isn't going to prove anything whatsoever, it seems the OP just wants to try to convince others that he was in the right, which seems highly doubtful to me anyway.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

when you write your report to the insrance co try not to change terms for things

like nissan changing into speeding sports car

people > gangs of yobs > children in the road at night

I would see if you can come to some arrangement out of claiming, as the best you will get is 50/50

Are you 18/19 by any chance?

[chab1990]

no im just tyrin to get you to understand

[tinkerbell84]

thats the worst part. yep im insured third party fire adn theft. and there was no obstruction.

this was happening behind me, do you understand, there was nothing in front of me. NOTHING.....

hang on.

you were moving from the left hand kerb to a side street on the right.

you were crossing the carriageway and should have been extra careful about things coming towards you from either direction.

you turned yourself into an obstacle (if i'm reading your explanation right)

doesn't sound like you have a hope of getting money for this.

[chab1990]

and i understand wat u guys mean. i shouldnt have been on the double yellow, all im saying is that he should have been on the other side of the road..... it was a dual carriadgeway. it was a small road with bends and twists and turns and road humps. you should overtake in any of these situations unless you are forced to.

[tinkerbell84]

no im just tyrin to get you to understand

can you draw a picture and post it?

[tinkerbell84]

and i understand wat u guys mean. i shouldnt have been on the double yellow, all im saying is that he should have been on the other side of the road..... it was a dual carriadgeway. it was a small road with bends and twists and turns and road humps. you should overtake in any of these situations unless you are forced to.

a dual carriageway has 2 lanes going in each direction (ie 4 lanes) so not small :confused:

you can overtake freely on a dual carriageway

and he was forced to change lanes by the obstruction in the road.

[chab1990]

when you write your report to the insrance co try not to change terms for things

like nissan changing into speeding sports car

people > gangs of yobs > children in the road at night

I would see if you can come to some arrangement out of claiming, as the best you will get is 50/50

Are you 18/19 by any chance?

18 been drivin for a year. no problems till now. funny thing is (irrelavant) this was all cos we went out to get some choc.

[Inactive]

no im just tyrin to get you to understand

I think most of us on here do understand, what we cannot do is make a decision, only your insurers can do that.

As suggested, I would certainly stick to one version of events, your insurers will not take kindly to a changing story, that's for sure.

[chab1990]

a dual carriageway has 2 lanes going in each direction (ie 4 lanes) so not small :confused:

you can overtake freely on a dual carriageway

and he was forced to change lanes by the obstruction in the road.

so sorry im wrong.

it wasnt a dual carriadgeway. it was a small road.

just one lane for each side. the road is like five to six metres wide. my bad. got confused

[Inactive]

so sorry im wrong.

it wasnt a dual carriadgeway. it was a small road.

just one lane for each side. the road is like five to six metres wide. my bad. got confused

You need to do better than that when dealing with your insurance company, or they will think that you are attempting fraud.

[Angela]

he came up to me and said sorry
By saying this he has admitted liability

[tinkerbell84]

By saying this he has admitted liability

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

not in any way, not even a tiny bit, true


you can say anything you like at the scene - your insurers will decide liability

[chab1990]

really, even though it was verbal

[chab1990]

You need to do better than that when dealing with your insurance company, or they will think that you are attempting fraud.

im not writing a report here. im typing in a thread. and trying to do so very fast, therefore making mistakes. in a report i will be clearly writing everything.

[tinkerbell84]

many insurers take your statement over the phone (and they tape it).

[chab1990]

if you just read on down maybe you'll understand. i made a mistake. it was a simple road in egham village....

[Inactive]

im not writing a report here. im typing in a thread. and trying to do so very fast, therefore making mistakes. in a report i will be clearly writing everything.


I think we would all appreciate an accurate version of events, rather than a speedily cobbled together innaccurate version.

[chab1990]

many insurers take your statement over the phone (and they tape it).

yeh well i've been asked to write it.....

[chab1990]

I think we would all appreciate an accurate version of events, rather than a speedily cobbled together innaccurate version.

yeh well i promise to be as accurate from now on. any questions?

[chab1990]

ok hold on i will try and post a scanning of how it happened. it will take some time.....

[tinkerbell84]

if you just read on down maybe you'll understand. i made a mistake. it was a simple road in egham village....

i know egham very well

no way would i try to turn my (sports) car around there (with over 10 years driving experience) :eek:

[chab1990]

wat r u talkin about. i have a peugeot 206.

he has a nissan 350z and i tell you exactly where is was. in englefield green, just after don beni's near the graveyard...

[tinkerbell84]

wat r u talkin about. i have a peugeot 206.

he has a nissan 350z and i tell you exactly where is was. in englefield green, just after don beni's near the graveyard...

i have a sports car

i have over 10 years driving experience

i know where you mean and i wouldn't attempt a turn like that there

[chab1990]

do you mean you would swerve around children or do a turn in the road. i didnt want to do a turn in that road. you know how theres little car parks on the right hand side, thats where i trying to turn, but the kids were blocking them all. so i didnt know what to do and i pulled over for thirty seconds. wen i pulled off you know wat happened....

[tinkerbell84]

i would anticipate the children and try not to swerve

i would not attempt a turn in the road there (or on that kind of road)

it's exceptionally dark, very twisty and you don't know what's coming

(a friend of mine hit a deer in the road not far from there)

[Keith]

If there was a group of children in the road, and the opposite carriageway was clear, then yes I'd use it to pass them.

That would be the end of the hazard for me.

I could then accelerate back to 30mph.

Some idiot has parked on double yellows on partly on the pavement then pulls back into my path of travel.

You should of paid more attention to other road users, you should not have stopped on double yellow lines, and you should of waited until the road was clear and you could see that nothing was coming. Why do you think it's alright that you pulled into the path of a vehicle who was obeying the speed limit?

Be thankful that you only pulled out on a car and not on a motorcyclist.

[chab1990]

ive just pasted it in. dunno if its working

[chab1990]

If there was a group of children in the road, and the opposite carriageway was clear, then yes I'd use it to pass them.

That would be the end of the hazard for me.

I could then accelerate back to 30mph.

Some idiot has parked on double yellows on partly on the pavement then pulls back into my path of travel.

You should of paid more attention to other road users, you should not have stopped on double yellow lines, and you should of waited until the road was clear and you could see that nothing was coming. Why do you think it's alright that you pulled into the path of a vehicle who was obeying the speed limit?

Be thankful that you only pulled out on a car and not on a motorcyclist.

have you not been listening...... there was no one in my vision from behind. he obviously sped around the pedestrians....

[Keith]

Could you see through the pedestrians? No.

Could he pass the pedestrians safely and then get back to the speedlimit? Yes, then you pulled out on him.

[chab1990]

If there was a group of children in the road, and the opposite carriageway was clear, then yes I'd use it to pass them.

That would be the end of the hazard for me.

I could then accelerate back to 30mph.

Some idiot has parked on double yellows on partly on the pavement then pulls back into my path of travel.

You should of paid more attention to other road users, you should not have stopped on double yellow lines, and you should of waited until the road was clear and you could see that nothing was coming. Why do you think it's alright that you pulled into the path of a vehicle who was obeying the speed limit?

Be thankful that you only pulled out on a car and not on a motorcyclist.


hold on, so you're saying that you would just swerve around them in a small road. what if a motorcyslist was on the other side of the road. oh "i'll just knock the motorcyclist over, at least ive passed the hazard......"

[Keith]

No, you can safely move around a hazard if the oncoming road is clear.

Do you get to a parked car and stop? No you slow down and drive around it.

[chab1990]

AND what if one of the pedestrians had dropped his wallet on the floor and he ran back to get it. you would have ran him over. real safe..... im sorry. but i shouldnt have stopped on the yellow lines, he definetely should not haev overtaken pedestrians. he should have given way as if it was a zebra crossing. they were already on the road and crossing it. and there was a big crowd. had that gone wrong, it would have been a blood bath.

[chab1990]

up parked cars, dont have bones or flesh or LIFE.

[chab1990]

i would anticipate the children and try not to swerve

i would not attempt a turn in the road there (or on that kind of road)

it's exceptionally dark, very twisty and you don't know what's coming

(a friend of mine hit a deer in the road not far from there)


anyway thanks for your help. we will see wat insurance says...

[Keith]

But did he? No, he passed a hazard safely and was on his way.

Then you did not safely turn in the road causing an accident.

Causation -

Did his passing the pedestrians cause an accident, well no they didn't.

Did your actions cause the accident. Yes they did.

[Keith]

anyway thanks for your help. we will see wat insurance says...

Remember to update your thread.

[chab1990]

ok but but had he waited for the pedestrians to cross the road then we would'nt have collided. besides technicallly he hit me as i was on the road. he was half on my side and half on the other side of the road.

if he was on the road with no pedestrians the he would have passed me and then i would have pulled out.

also would you overtake 15 metres before a bend?

[tinkerbell84]

AND what if one of the pedestrians had dropped his wallet on the floor and he ran back to get it. you would have ran him over. real safe..... im sorry. but i shouldnt have stopped on the yellow lines, he definetely should not haev overtaken pedestrians. he should have given way as if it was a zebra crossing. they were already on the road and crossing it. and there was a big crowd. had that gone wrong, it would have been a blood bath.

were there white markings on the road for a zebra crossing? no? then he shouldn't have stopped.

i still don't get how you didn't see his lights :confused:

[tinkerbell84]

ok but but had he waited for the pedestrians to cross the road then we would'nt have collided. besides technicallly he hit me as i was on the road. he was half on my side and half on the other side of the road.

if he was on the road with no pedestrians the he would have passed me and then i would have pulled out.

also would you overtake 15 metres before a bend?

in the dark (where lights would show if something is coming) and in a powerful car? probably.

[tinkerbell84]

ive just pasted it in. dunno if its working

you need to use photobucket or tinypic to post pictures on here

[tinkerbell84]

hold on, so you're saying that you would just swerve around them in a small road. what if a motorcyslist was on the other side of the road. oh "i'll just knock the motorcyclist over, at least ive passed the hazard......"

then you'd see it because it would have its lights on and you wouldn't overtake the kids till the bike had gone past!!

[Keith]

also would you overtake 15 metres before a bend?

A 206 is 3.8m in length.

Was he overtaking you? Or do you mean that he overtook the children 15m before the bend.

[chab1990]

like i said before he was speeding. i looked behind me, no one was there apart from the teens who were crossing the road. he sped around them fast and as i was on the road, he joined me and we collided.

it happened really fast. i always make sure there is no one and im not a fast driver. also he said the words, Im so sorry, its just that i was trying to swerve out of the way of those f*cking idiots. then later on he said "i dont doubt that you were signalling. which means that he wasnt even paying attention as he was too busy swerving around them.

[chab1990]

A 206 is 3.8m in length.

Was he overtaking you? Or do you mean that he overtook the children 15m before the bend.

over taking the children 15 m before the bend

[chab1990]

then you'd see it because it would have its lights on and you wouldn't overtake the kids till the bike had gone past!!

and wat if some one was speedin round the bend. the amount of length it takes to go around a big group of kids and then go back into your lane... we litereally five metres before the bend when he hit me!

[tinkerbell84]

like i said before he was speeding. i looked behind me, no one was there apart from the teens who were crossing the road. he sped around them fast and as i was on the road, he joined me and we collided.

it happened really fast. i always make sure there is no one and im not a fast driver. also he said the words, Im so sorry, its just that i was trying to swerve out of the way of those f*cking idiots. then later on he said "i dont doubt that you were signalling. which means that he wasnt even paying attention as he was too busy swerving around them.

you said he was doing 25-30mph :confused:

that isn't a 20 mph road. :confused:

there are mini roundabouts not far from where you were - that would have been the place to turn around. ;)

[tinkerbell84]

and wat if some one was speedin round the bend. the amount of length it takes to go around a big group of kids and then go back into your lane... we litereally five metres before the bend when he hit me!

you shouldn't have been across the road 5 metres before the bend!!!! :mad:

[Keith]

So you had time to zap him with a speedgun to see his speed, and still pulled out on him?

Do you accept that your actions of pulling into the road, caused the accident? The legal test is a but for test, but for your actions would the accident have happened?

[tifnstav]

you said earlier in your post that he was going 25 to 30, now he is speeding.
also, you said that you collided into the sides of each other, now he has hit you.

if you hit each other in the side then surely you are both at fault - how would you turn and hit the side of his vehicle without seeing it?
He'd have to have been doing a lot more than 30 (which i doubt on the inconsistencies so far) to sneak up on you like that.

and can you confirm which side of the road he was on - was it the other carriageway or half and half?

[Inactive]

Face facts Chab, you can rant on here for ever more, it will not change anything, it seems that you were in the wrong from everything you have said, so just live with it and move on.

Learn from your experience.

[tifnstav]

i don't think we started reading this thread intending to rip your story apart, but you are making it quite easy - and an insurance company is going to be just as harsh, if not more so.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

Get your parents or someone at work to write your report, dont rush it, then show it to some on for proof reading

[chab1990]

no he was doing 25 as he hit me, before, he was definetely speeding. he could not have got round that crown any faster. i slowed him down. he has no damage and i have a big dent. that dent slowed him doen to bout 25.

[chab1990]

you said earlier in your post that he was going 25 to 30, now he is speeding.
also, you said that you collided into the sides of each other, now he has hit you.

if you hit each other in the side then surely you are both at fault - how would you turn and hit the side of his vehicle without seeing it?
He'd have to have been doing a lot more than 30 (which i doubt on the inconsistencies so far) to sneak up on you like that.

and can you confirm which side of the road he was on - was it the other carriageway or half and half?

he was on the other side of the road. and yes he was speeding. i slowed him down to 25-30.

[tinkerbell84]

no he was doing 25 as he hit me, before, he was definetely speeding. he could not have got round that crown any faster. i slowed him down. he has no damage and i have a big dent. that dent slowed him doen to bout 25.

not possible for a 350z to hit something at 25mph and have no damage

[tifnstav]

was he doing 25 as he hit you or the impact of hitting a slow moving vehicle slowed him to 25? what you've said is contradictory.

as Tinkerbell84 has said before, if its not a 20mph road then he's not speeding.

[tinkerbell84]

he was on the other side of the road. and yes he was speeding. i slowed him down to 25-30.

physics would dictate that he moved your car down the road and into the bend then

[chab1990]

you shouldn't have been across the road 5 metres before the bend!!!! :mad:

i wasnt! this was after i had pulled out and was on the road. i stopped bout fifteen metres from bend.

am i really being that confusing?

this is my first time

[Inactive]

no he was doing 25 as he hit me,slowed him .


You have no way of verifying his speed, so stick to the facts or your insurers are going to have great fun with any claim you make.


You seem to be ignoring the advice that you seek, and just digging yourself in to a deeper hole, time to move on?

[chab1990]

well i'm telling you he has no damage. the carbon fibre popped in and then back out. he had a few scuffs on his wheel arch and i have a dent and black scratches which im guessing are fro the tyres. after that split second then we were driving along side each other before i stopped completely. can u try and undertand now?

[tifnstav]

"litereally five metres before the bend when he hit me!"

how were you 5 metres from the bend and 15 metres from the bend at the same time? is it a stretch 206?

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

a bump at 5 mph will leave marks on cars

[chab1990]

"litereally five metres before the bend when he hit me!"

how were you 5 metres from the bend and 15 metres from the bend at the same time? is it a stretch 206?


k read:

15 metres: i start pulling out

11 or 12: im on the road, just hit down form kerb

10: he comes at hits me at an angle

8: he straightens out and we are driving along each other

5: i stop completely.

you know if you donnt understand all you haev to do is say not start being horrible.

[chab1990]

a bump at 5 mph will leave marks on cars


i told you its carbon fibre, not metal. he has some scuffs but he told me the valetors polished them out.

[tinkerbell84]

i told you its carbon fibre, not metal. he has some scuffs but he told me the valetors polished them out.

the whole car is not made of carbon fibre!

and i think they meant that your CAR would be damaged if he'd been doing 5mph.

[tifnstav]

k read:

15 metres: i start pulling out

11 or 12: im on the road, just hit down form kerb

10: he comes at hits me at an angle

8: he straightens out and we are driving along each other

5: i stop completely.

you know if you donnt understand all you haev to do is say not start being horrible.

k, i'm not being horrible.

i'm simply highlighting some inconsistencies that an insurer is bound to pick up on.

[chab1990]

well it was.

[chab1990]

the whole car is not made of carbon fibre!

and i think they meant that your CAR would be damaged if he'd been doing 5mph.

this is what he said to me. it was his front left wing.

btw what about my firend and her sis. could they not be witnesses, they did see it...

[tinkerbell84]

this is what he said to me. it was his front left wing.

btw what about my firend and her sis. could they not be witnesses, they did see it...

not if they were in your car.

which bits of your car were damaged?

[chab1990]

they were on the street walking up to the car. and it was my front right wing that was damaged, like my top right corner, half on bumper half on side.

[tinkerbell84]

they were on the street walking up to the car. and it was my front right wing that was damaged, like my top right corner, half on bumper half on side.

to get into the car?

if they were out with you then they can't be witnesses.

and they should have identified themselves as witnesses at the scene (given details to other driver etc)

won't make any difference to the insurers when they argue liability.

[tinkerbell84]

did you manage to sort that pic out?

[Keith]

this is what he said to me. it was his front left wing.

btw what about my firend and her sis. could they not be witnesses, they did see it...

What happened to the large group of independent witnesses who were nearby?

[Keith]

they were on the street walking up to the car. and it was my front right wing that was damaged, like my top right corner, half on bumper half on side.

Walking up to a car which is pulling into the path of a car?

[chab1990]

they just laughed at me and the man. then they carried on walking down the road. do you really think i would have gone to them to ask for help. they were probably drunk anyway.

[tifnstav]

probably drunk or 15 metres away from being drunk?

[chab1990]

Walking up to a car which is pulling into the path of a car?

no they were walking up to the car from behind.

PLEASE NOTE, dont forget that all this commotion is happening behind me until the driver comes over to my side of road.....

[tinkerbell84]

no they were walking up to the car from behind.

PLEASE NOTE, dont forget that all this commotion is happening behind me until the driver comes over to my side of road.....

i really need to see a picture - you're confusing me

[chab1990]

probably drunk or 15 metres away from being drunk?


Yeh some people actually have problems like car accidents. they dont worry about about what people would do if they got five pounds off bingo. ok?

how bout you go mock someone else.....

[chab1990]

i really need to see a picture - you're confusing me

i tried scanning one in. let me take you in step by step K?

[tinkerbell84]

i tried scanning one in. let me take you in step by step K?

i told you that you need to upload it to photobucket for it to work on this site.

i need the pic - your explanations aren't helping.

[chab1990]

im driving down the road

im looking for a space to drive into, in order reverse round. all the spaces are blocked by chavs.

i carry on going, cannot find anywhere.

i get muddled up and i just pull over on the left.

I look. i see a turning into a road on the right hand side (it was actually on the bend).

i look behind me, i signal, i start to move out and the man is coming around the crown and then he hits me.

my friend and her sis are walking on the pavement up to the car which at that time was stationary waiting to move off and then they see the whole thing. its really complicated....

[tifnstav]

i don't understand where the reference to bingo has come in. Were you on your way to Gala?

Look, I apologise if my light-hearted jibe has offended you - but so far you have confused everyone who has replied with changing speeds, distances, lanes, numbers of people, directions.

I have merely tried to explain that these inconsistencies will need to be sorted out in your own head before you say anything to the insurance company, otherwise you'll end up being found liable (despite the other drivers comments to you).

[chab1990]

crowd not crown...

[Keith]

no they were walking up to the car from behind.

PLEASE NOTE, dont forget that all this commotion is happening behind me until the driver comes over to my side of road.....

Had they parked there earlier?

I had stopped to drop a friend of at the shops. i stopped in a marked bay on the left hand side. the friend got out, went to the shop. i then pulled out so that i could turn the car around somewhere (this is on a normal road with a few shops).

also the friend and her sister saw the whole thing and they sayt that he swerved around the group of teens which he shouldnt have done. he should have waited.

So, let me see if I understand this, the same friend you dropped at the shop which caused you to need to turn around. Suddenly remembered they'd parked up just behind you so decided to get into that car instead of the one you'd just crashed?

Are you making up the bit about the second car? As by this post it sounds as if you were both about to go back in your car...

this was all cos we went out to get some choc.

I'm confused now, are they walking up to you as you've drove off to turn around?

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[hewhoisnotintheknow]

pics drawn by your friends might help me

[chab1990]

Had they parked there earlier?



So, let me see if I understand this, the same friend you dropped at the shop which caused you to need to turn around. Suddenly remembered they'd parked up just behind you so decided to get into that car instead of the one you'd just crashed?

Are you making up the bit about the second car? As by this post it sounds as if you were both about to go back in your car...



I'm confused now, are they walking up to you as you've drove off to turn around?

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when i say the car from behind. i mean they are walking to my car from behind.

[chab1990]

pics of your friends might help me

go away, you're quite sad.....

[chab1990]

http://s441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/chab1990/?action=view&current=scan0001.jpg

thats the pic

[tinkerbell84]

http://s441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/chab1990/?action=view&current=scan0001.jpg

thats the pic

thank you - that helps

it was how i was imagining it


it looks like you were in the wrong here, i'm afraid

how come you didn't see his xenon lights?

[chab1990]

cos i was pulling out as he was swerving round. he didnt hit me until i had come off the kerb.

[chab1990]

by the time i saw the lights it was too late. thats why his car didnt really get damaged. i pulled out of the way

[tinkerbell84]

cos i was pulling out as he was swerving round. he didnt hit me until i had come off the kerb.

did you drive part of the way along the kerb?

[tinkerbell84]

by the time i saw the lights it was too late. thats why his car didnt really get damaged. i pulled out of the way

brightest kind of headlights on the road :confused:

i think you need to chalk this up to inexperience

[chab1990]

no i was completely off the kerb...

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

its your fault

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

was the car park full?

[chab1990]

its your fault

i aint listenin to you. go and find a pic of some girls. i hope you're not old. we're only 18....

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

i aint listenin to you. go and find a pic of some girls. i hope you're not old. we're only 18....


you asked for advice then have a strop when you get some you dont want

[tinkerbell84]

no i was completely off the kerb...

so you weren't hit when you came off the kerb, you were hit when you were turning right?

[chab1990]

so you weren't hit when you came off the kerb, you were hit when you were turning right?

i was about to turn right.

i was 5 metres from the bend which was where i was going to turn into the road.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

i was about to turn right.

i was 5 metres from the bend which was where i was going to turn into the road.

you need to think what your story is and stick to it

dont add bits

[tinkerbell84]

i was about to turn right.

i was 5 metres from the bend which was where i was going to turn into the road.

double yellows shouldn't come into it then?

how did you not see the dazzling bright white headlights on the 350z?

you said you looked over your shoulder before pulling off the kerb

did you really or did you just use your mirror?

did you look again before indicating to turn right?

were there skid marks on the road where the nissan tried to stop?

[mymatebob]

Sorry chab but I think your insurers may not pay out on this one.
The pictures do help a lot.

From what I understand you pulled out because you could only see the people crossing the road behind you.
The guy driving along the road could not see you because of the people in the road.

Not unreasonably, given that there were double yellow lines he would not expect anyone to be parked there, so he drove round the people, expecting to carry on as normal, where he met you pulling out.

You pulled out because, although you could not see that the road behind was clear you assumed it would be.

That's my take the insurers may see it differently but I think it is your fault.

Sorry about that.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

double yellows shouldn't come into it then?

how did you not see the dazzling bright white headlights on the 350z?

you said you looked over your shoulder before pulling off the kerb

did you really or did you just use your mirror?

did you look again before indicating to turn right?

were there skid marks on the road where the nissan tried to stop?

it would have abs, at 25 i doubt it would leave any marks as the braking would not be too high

[chab1990]

:rolleyes: Sorry chab but I think your insurers may not pay out on this one.
The pictures do help a lot.

From what I understand you pulled out because you could only see the people crossing the road behind you.
The guy driving along the road could not see you because of the people in the road.

Not unreasonably, given that there were double yellow lines he would not expect anyone to be parked there, so he drove round the people, expecting to carry on as normal, where he met you pulling out.

You pulled out because, although you could not see that the road behind was clear you assumed it would be.

That's my take the insurers may see it differently but I think it is your fault.

Sorry about that.

i see your point. well we'll see wat insurers say. thnx for your help!

[chab1990]

double yellows shouldn't come into it then?

how did you not see the dazzling bright white headlights on the 350z?

you said you looked over your shoulder before pulling off the kerb

did you really or did you just use your mirror?

did you look again before indicating to turn right?

were there skid marks on the road where the nissan tried to stop?

i told you it was too late. i was already on the road and driving..........

he was never behind me. i though you said you understood. just cause i saw him wat could i do. he already had hit me.

[tinkerbell84]

i told you it was too late. i was already on the road and driving..........

he was never behind me. i though you said you understood. just cause i saw him wat could i do. he already had hit me.

my car has xenon headlights - they are exceptionally bright

there's no way i could be within 300ft of you and you not know i was there.

how did you not see the lights when he'd passed the group of kids? the lights would have reflected off your mirror and into your eyes :confused:

[davetrousers]

As Poppy said in one of the first responses, IT IS UP TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO DECIDE WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

What are you going to do, submit this thread as part of your statement to your insurance company?

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

was the car park full?

why didnt you use the car park

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

As Poppy said in one of the first responses, IT IS UP TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO DECIDE WHOSE FAULT IT IS.

What are you going to do, submit this tread as part of your statement to your insurance company?

I think he should

[chab1990]

seriously i dont even know what im doing here. i've just spent 3 and half hours talking to you people. i dont even know u losers! who cares, wasnt that bad damage anyway. i dont even know why i would have got professional advice from you people.

thnx for your unworthy help though!

[tifnstav]

So here's what we have learnt so far...

1. No-one was going to bingo.
2. Cars have headlights.
3. Teenagers cross roads.
4. Eyes see lights and teenagers and bingo numbers.
5. None of us want pictures of each others friends.

[tinkerbell84]

seriously i dont even know what im doing here. i've just spent 3 and half hours talking to you people. i dont even know u losers! who cares, wasnt that bad damage anyway. i dont even know why i would have got professional advice from you people.

thnx for your unworthy help though!

charming.

i've spent 3.5 hours trying to help you! :confused:

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

seriously i dont even know what im doing here. i've just spent 3 and half hours talking to you people. i dont even know u losers! who cares, wasnt that bad damage anyway. i dont even know why i would have got professional advice from you people.

thnx for your unworthy help though!

Good luck with the claim, hopefully the blame will fall on the lap of the person responsible

[Keith]

Good luck with the claim, hopefully the blame will fall on the lap of the person responsible

How can it, he didn't get the name of the teenagers and it was obviously their fault.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

How can it, he didn't get the name of the teenagers and it was obviously their fault.

Its either the OP or the nissan drivers fault really

[mymatebob]

Its either the OP or the nissan drivers fault really

Well I hope the OP comes back and let's us know what the insurers decide

[Poppy9]

seriously i dont even know what im doing here. i've just spent 3 and half hours talking to you people. i dont even know u losers! who cares, wasnt that bad damage anyway. i dont even know why i would have got professional advice from you people.

thnx for your unworthy help though!

You didn't have to continue posting when as you knew no one could give you concrete advice on who is at fault.

There is absolutely no reason or excuse for your rudess in the quoted post. You just come over as a temperamental child.

[goldspanners]

i think the group of chavs were actually joiners on the night shift carrying 6ft sheets of plywood across the road,this is why the op couldnt see the 350z's headlights.

[Inactive]

seriously i dont even know what im doing here. i've just spent 3 and half hours talking to you people. i dont even know u losers! who cares, wasnt that bad damage anyway. i dont even know why i would have got professional advice from you people.

thnx for your unworthy help though!


Charming .. :rolleyes:

[davetrousers]

The OP's 'name' is chab1990

Note how close b is to v on your keyboard!

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

any update?

[cyclonebri1]

Don't expect one , do you?;)

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

I would like to think we would get the final outcome

[Lemonade Pockets]

Haven't read the full thing so don't know if someone as mentioned it. But do they not teach you to use your wing mirrors anymore?

If he couldn't see the nissan because it was on the wrong side of the road (i.e. not directly behind him) a cursory glance in his right hand mirror before and then as he was pulling away would've solved all his problems.

I reckon 50/50 at best if not it will go the man with the nissan's way.

[cyclonebri1]

Haven't read the full thing so don't know if someone as mentioned it. But do they not teach you to use your wing mirrors anymore?

If he couldn't see the nissan because it was on the wrong side of the road (i.e. not directly behind him) a cursory glance in his right hand mirror before and then as he was pulling away would've solved all his problems.

I reckon 50/50 at best if not it will go the man with the nissan's way.

50/50 is the best way anyone could view it from the OP's account, trouble is he wanted 100/0 in his favour,

Lesson to be learnt is that if you don't want someones opinion then don't ask for it???