parking ticket in disabled bay

[littleemmie]

Hi everyone,

Last week my mum got a parking ticket for parking in a loading/disabled bay too early. My step-father is disabled and used the blue badge while they went shopping and came back to find a ticket timed at 10.58am. The bay they parked in has double yellow lines but has a sign up saying loading before 11am, disabled parking only after 11am. My parents took this to mean that the bay is disabled parking anytime but no loading after 11am. Obviously the traffic warden's interpretation was different. Can anyone please tell me if mum has any grounds to appeal the ticket?

Thank you!

[sarahg1969]

Hi everyone,

Last week my mum got a parking ticket for parking in a loading/disabled bay too early. My step-father is disabled and used the blue badge while they went shopping and came back to find a ticket timed at 10.58am. The bay they parked in has double yellow lines but has a sign up saying loading before 11am, disabled parking only after 11am. My parents took this to mean that the bay is disabled parking anytime but no loading after 11am. Obviously the traffic warden's interpretation was different. Can anyone please tell me if mum has any grounds to appeal the ticket?

Thank you!

Post your problem on the parking forums on www.pepipoo.com (http://www.pepipoo.com) where you will get some very helpful advice.

[Mojisola]

This is from www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/MotoringAndTransport/DG_4001061

"Badge holders may park on single or double yellow lines for up to three hours in England and Wales, except where there is a ban on loading or unloading. You must display both your Blue Badge and parking disc showing time of arrival."

[Pew Pew Pew Lasers!]

loading before 11am, disabled parking only after 11am.

The sign will say more than that, otherwise the timing would be unenforceable. What else does it say?

[greenface]

sorry they are in the wrong but as the other poster says go into pepipoo and they can help you more .Often with finding faults with tickets /signs or legal wording etc worth a shot . Good luck

[Conor]

Hi everyone,

Last week my mum got a parking ticket for parking in a loading/disabled bay too early. My step-father is disabled and used the blue badge while they went shopping and came back to find a ticket timed at 10.58am. The bay they parked in has double yellow lines but has a sign up saying loading before 11am, disabled parking only after 11am. My parents took this to mean that the bay is disabled parking anytime but no loading after 11am. Obviously the traffic warden's interpretation was different. Can anyone please tell me if mum has any grounds to appeal the ticket?

Thank you!

Non at all. Your mum parked in a loading bay. It would be completely pointless making it a loading bay AND combined disabled parking bay before 11am because it's most likely to be filled with blue badge holders so how would a lorry park up to unload? Come on, it isn't flipping rocket science.

Your mum got a ticket for illegally parking in a loading bay. It only became a disabled parking bay after 11am.

As a lorry driver sick of struggling to unload in towns because of morons parking in loading bays, my hat is off to the Traffic Warden for a job well done.

[littleemmie]

Non at all. Your mum parked in a loading bay. It would be completely pointless making it a loading bay AND combined disabled parking bay before 11am because it's most likely to be filled with blue badge holders so how would a lorry park up to unload? Come on, it isn't flipping rocket science.

Your mum got a ticket for illegally parking in a loading bay. It only became a disabled parking bay after 11am.

As a lorry driver sick of struggling to unload in towns because of morons parking in loading bays, my hat is off to the Traffic Warden for a job well done.

Thank you very much for your replies - with the exception of Conor who provided a worthless rant in response to a perfectly legitimate query regarding the misinterpretation of a sign that can be read in two ways (i.e. the original thread, which was "not rocket science" to work out). I will post on that forum, thank you sarahg1969 and greenface, although by the sounds of Mojisola's post, mum was in the wrong. Pew pew pew lasers, that is what the sign says - Loading before 11am at the top of the sign, a line and then disabled parking only after 11am at the bottom. Thanks everyone for your help.

[Crap_with_money.com]

[quote=Conor;16150965] Come on, it isn't flipping rocket science.quote]

Why is there always one?! It was a simple question, which required a civilised answer - no need for the rant and borderline insults.......

[anewman]

that is what the sign says - Loading before 11am at the top of the sign, a line and then disabled parking only after 11am at the bottom. Thanks everyone for your help.
If that is exactly what it says, as it does not say loading ONLY, I too would think disabled parking would be fine. Need someone who knows the exact rules on the signs wordage.

[McKneff]

i think the the person who put the ticket on 2 minutes before the time was a bit harsh. Anyway, aren't these parking 'fines' unenforceable like we have said a thousand times before on this forum

[anewman]

i think the the person who put the ticket on 2 minutes before the time was a bit harsh. Anyway, aren't these parking 'fines' unenforceable like we have said a thousand times before on this forum
Only private ones. Council ones - like this one will be - will be enforceable.

[sarahg1969]

Only private ones. Council ones - like this one will be - will be enforceable.

Not necessarily. If the ticket is wrongly worded, or if the bays are incorrectly marked, or if the sign is not in the prescribed format, then the OP has a reason to appeal.

And councils often get it wrong, despite having all the information from the DFT at their fingertips - all they have to do is copy the pictures, and even that is too difficult for them sometimes.

[anewman]

Not necessarily. If the ticket is wrongly worded, or if the bays are incorrectly marked, or if the sign is not in the prescribed format, then the OP has a reason to appeal.

And councils often get it wrong, despite having all the information from the DFT at their fingertips - all they have to do is copy the pictures, and even that is too difficult for them sometimes.
I just meant that it should not be tossed in the bin and ignored like the private ones :beer:

[roddydogs]

Since when have lorry drivers been bothered about loading bays? they park anywhere to offload.........Conor how long have you been a lorry Driver? are you Ivanopinion in disguise?

[cyclonebri1]

Since when have lorry drivers been bothered about loading bays? they park anywhere to offload.........Conor how long have you been a lorry Driver? are you Ivanopinion in disguise?


Oh my God,:eek: , Don't get him started:o

[McKneff]

sorry, i couldnt see where it said it was council or private, still cant,
it just says loading bay, don't supermarket car parks have loading bays, sometimes out front.

[littleemmie]

Conor, if you have nothing useful to say in answer to my question please leave this thread.

The loading bay in question is in the middle of a high street (on a large hill with a sharp bend making it impossible for your lorry to get to Conor so don't worry) outside some shops so I assume it is council. I personally think that the wording of the sign is dodgy but I'm not sure how far mum would get with an appeal based on it?!

[banger9365]

your not going to like this put i understand conor and he is right ,the car should have been towed and a nice big release fee too

[Bart]

Conor has a fair point, I spent one and a half hours in Norwich stuck because blue badge holders had parked on double yellow lines in the turn around area. I am now a wheelchair user and always try to park out of the way.

[Quentin]

Conor does have a fair point.

But isn't it irrelevant?

This is a moneysaving board, and the OP is entitled to ask if there is a (legal) way not to pay the fine without being subjected to rudeness from a "holier than thou" lorrydriver!

[sarahg1969]

I agree that Conor has a point.

However, this particular bay is for the use of disabled drivers as well as for loading (albeit at restricted times), and if the signs are confusing, then it's possible that the OP is not at fault for parking there.

[LandyAndy]

Since when have lorry drivers been bothered about loading bays? they park anywhere to offload.........Conor how long have you been a lorry Driver? are you Ivanopinion in disguise?

'cause all the loading bays are full of blue badges.:cool:

[roddydogs]

This is from www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/MotoringAndTransport/DG_4001061 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/MotoringAndTransport/DG_4001061)

"Badge holders may park on single or double yellow lines for up to three hours in England and Wales, except where there is a ban on loading or unloading. You must display both your Blue Badge and parking disc showing time of arrival."
Thats actually misleading-on the vast majority of Double yellow (OR Red) lines you cant use the blue badge as no loading is ever allowed from these.