Driving automatics ?

[Pssst]

Usually drive manuals...whats the correct and common practice if waiting at lights/a period of time? leave it in drive or snick it into neutral and and would either situation be more detrimental than the other?

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[movilogo]

Put in in Park mode.

[Little John]

I usually just sit with my foot on the brake unless it has a hold mode where it will automatically balance the car on the clutch until you hit the go pedal

[Inactive]

Drive, neutral or park, doesn't really matter which, with handbrake applied.

[Hintza]

Put in in Park mode.

The problem with that is it is the furthest setting away from Drive and in my view too much hassle especially for short change lights for longer waits it might be an option.

If flat I tend to nudge the lever forward into Neutral if on a hill I tend to leave it Drive.

I think the experts will say that Park or Neutral is the correct procedure to minimise wear.

The only issue you might have is if the brake lights are constantly on which can/will annoy those behind you.

[Geriatric]

There is no problem for short periods and it does no wear anything out.
The auto tranmission fluid in the torque converter would overheat if it was left in drive with the brake on for long periods.

[Pete268]

I drive an automatic and if stopping at lights other than for a very brief period, I put the handbrake on and knock it into neutral.

I don't put it into park, as to return the gearstick to 'drive' it has to 'pass through' the reverse position which briefly lights up the reversing lights on my car and no doubt gets the driver behind me slightly apprehensive!!

Peter

[Shoshannah]

I drive an automatic. I would recommend leaving it in neutral with handbrake on, as you would a manual car. Putting it into park involves going through all the gears including reverse, which scares the person behind you when they see your reverse lights come on!

I am very lazy and sit in drive with the brakes on. Please note the brakes on autos wear out very quickly. I had a caliper seize up yesterday, stopped as soon as I felt something wrong but too late - lunched the disc, looking at a huge bill.

[vikingaero]

I don't use Park unless I stop the engine.

Best and quickest method is to push it forward in Neutral whether still on the brakes or using the handbrake. When you're in Neutral drive load is taken off the transmission and also saves fuel. When it's time to go again you can move from N to D very quickly and not hold up traffic behind you.

[BevS97]

I don't use Park unless I stop the engine.

Best and quickest method is to push it forward in Neutral whether still on the brakes or using the handbrake. When you're in Neutral drive load is taken off the transmission and also saves fuel. When it's time to go again you can move from N to D very quickly and not hold up traffic behind you.

I've been driving automatics for over 20 years, I've never put the car into neutral at anytime, I put my foot on the brake, nothing more. The only time I touch the gearstick is to put it in Reverse, or into Park when I am done driving.

All this into Neutral and using the handbrake malarky is something drivers of manuals do to keep their hands busy. Automatic drivers just use the brake. :)

[Inactive]

All this into Neutral and using the handbrake malarky is something drivers of manuals do to keep their hands busy. Automatic drivers just use the brake. :)

The OP asked for the " correct " way.;)

[vikingaero]

I've been driving automatics for over 20 years, I've never put the car into neutral at anytime, I put my foot on the brake, nothing more. The only time I touch the gearstick is to put it in Reverse, or into Park when I am done driving.

All this into Neutral and using the handbrake malarky is something drivers of manuals do to keep their hands busy. Automatic drivers just use the brake. :)

Each to their own. In slow moving traffic I use the automatic as intended. When I come to a level crossing or roadworks where there is likely to be a delay in excess of a minute I choose to exercise mechanical sympathy and save fuel.

[silvercar]

I've been driving automatics for over 20 years, I've never put the car into neutral at anytime, I put my foot on the brake, nothing more. The only time I touch the gearstick is to put it in Reverse, or into Park when I am done driving.

All this into Neutral and using the handbrake malarky is something drivers of manuals do to keep their hands busy. Automatic drivers just use the brake. :)

Totally agree, what is the point of driving an automatic if you are going to play at driving a manual.

Jeez, next people will say they use the hand brake to do a hill start!

[vikingaero]

Totally agree, what is the point of driving an automatic if you are going to play at driving a manual.

Jeez, next people will say they use the hand brake to do a hill start!

On very steep hills I use the handbrake to help the transmission. :p:D

[Pew Pew Pew Lasers!]

You leave your foot on the brake, unless it is night and other road users are queuing behind you - in which case you take your foot from the brake, and apply the parking brake.

There is no reason to take it out of drive - the gearbox or fluid will not overheat. There is no significant degree of wear.

Constantly moving from D to N will be the cause of more wear than leaving it in D.

[hewhoisnotintheknow]

i love sitting behind a lazy !!!!!! on a dark night in a queue

[jeannieblue]

i love sitting behind a lazy !!!!!! on a dark night in a queue
That'll be me then ... :D

Bothered? Nope, not if its you.. :rolleyes:

[goldspanners]

That'll be me then ... :D

Bothered? Nope, not if its you.. :rolleyes:

what if its me? i hate this too, especially if its a range rover they seem to be the worst even when higher up in a van they still manage to blind me.

[jeannieblue]

what if its me? i hate this too, especially if its a range rover they seem to be the worst even when higher up in a van they still manage to blind me.
Still not bothered...... wear sunglasses :D

[jeannieblue]

Ok Goldiespanners...

Correct procedure, neutral, handbrake on. Also, if you get shunted up the ar5e, it is safer.

Trouble is, us Autoists, rarely do that above procedure... :o its too much effort :D

[goldspanners]

Ok Goldiespanners...

Correct procedure, neutral, handbrake on. Also, if you get shunted up the ar5e, it is safer.

Trouble is, us Autoists, rarely do that above procedure... :o its too much effort :D

lazy swines! :mad:

[jeannieblue]

lazy swines! :mad:
You Scots get so uptight over such piddly little things... as said, bothered, not, wear sun glasses - not that you need them in your neck of the woods, but I am sure you can 'import' some from England. :D

I'm not lazy either, just economical with my energy levels. ;)

[goldspanners]

as said, bothered, not, wear sun glasses -



this is the problem with society these days jeannie,nobody cares about anyone but tehmselves,i guess i got you all wrong.:confused:

[big gay kirk]

just a note.. on my auto volvo and allegro the manual warned not to select park if the engine was running.... not sure abouyt modern autos.. but worth knowing!

[Little John]

The last auto I drove was a pasat that didn't have a hand brake it had the button on the dash and it was called a parking brake and to release it the car had to be in park and have my foot on the brake. what a ball ache that was. I think the Merc I drove before that was similar but the parking brake was applied with the foot.
As I was used to doing something with my left hand while driving I used to make use of the DSG gear box and worked it like a manual when I got bored.

As for going on about being lazy not taking their foot off the brake when stopped jees they drive an automatic how much lazier can you get? how do you expect them to do anything when they are just needing to move forward.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Shoshannah]

I have to say, I think a large proportion of manual car drivers sit with their foot on the brake too. Unless 75% of the cars I follow in traffic queues are automatics as well. :confused:

It doesn't bother me so much during the day but I guess it can be a bit dazzling at night. I am guilty of it too though, unless I get to the traffic lights just as they have turned red and I know it will be a longer wait.

AFAIK (but I am no expert), moving the gearstick or staying in D will not wear out the gearbox. It's driving at high speeds for long periods and/or towing that wears out autoboxes. I wouldn't recommend sitting in D with the handbrake on though as it's a surefire way to f**k up your handbrake. :rotfl:

With automatics I worry more about the wear on the brakes than the box. I do check my autobox fluid regularly though. :)

[gundo]

Still not bothered...... wear sunglasses :D

Hmmm... that's a bit inconsiderate of you. :(

Personally I bung it Neutral and lob the handbrake on, it's less effort than having to keep my foot on the brake all the time (I'm lazy too).

[Pew Pew Pew Lasers!]

AFAIK (but I am no expert), moving the gearstick or staying in D will not wear out the gearbox. It's driving at high speeds for long periods and/or towing that wears out autoboxes. I wouldn't recommend sitting in D with the handbrake on though as it's a surefire way to f**k up your handbrake.

Gearchanges are the common cause of wear on automatic gearboxes. Driving at high speeds will not wear them out. Towing a caravan may require more regular ATF changes, but will not wear the gearbox.

Sitting in D with the parking brake on will not 'f**k up your handbrake', in just the same way that parking a car on a hill will also not damage it. In an automatic gearbox there is no physical connection between the engine and the drivetrain, beyond fluid.

[vikingaero]

Gearchanges are the common cause of wear on automatic gearboxes. Driving at high speeds will not wear them out. Towing a caravan may require more regular ATF changes, but will not wear the gearbox.

Sitting in D with the parking brake on will not 'f**k up your handbrake', in just the same way that parking a car on a hill will also not damage it. In an automatic gearbox there is no physical connection between the engine and the drivetrain, beyond fluid.

Gearchanges are the primary cause of failure of the gearbox. The component that gives up the ghost first is the valve body followed by hydraulic failure normally caused by casing fracture.

Although the fluid is transmission medium being mechanically symapthetic in selecting neutral for long periods of idle is better - a gear selector mechanism is cheaper than a valve body or a new autobox.

[Shoshannah]

Gearchanges are the common cause of wear on automatic gearboxes. Driving at high speeds will not wear them out. Towing a caravan may require more regular ATF changes, but will not wear the gearbox.


I am enlightened regarding gear changes. :)

Driving at high speeds for very long periods (ie burning it at 100mph down the motorway, which we shouldn't be doing anyway :D ) and towing heavy loads can generate more heat in the transmission. The fluid is not sufficiently cooled and is less effective, stands to reason that this increases wear. In the same way, a stop-start journey in a traffic jam or something would have the same effect (especially in combination with repeated gear changes from D to N ;) ). If this is not true then it appears I have been badly misinformed by a friend who refurbishes autoboxes and owns 12 automatic cars. :eek: :confused: :confused:


Sitting in D with the parking brake on will not 'f**k up your handbrake', in just the same way that parking a car on a hill will also not damage it. In an automatic gearbox there is no physical connection between the engine and the drivetrain, beyond fluid.

Ok you're right, I was being a tad overdramatic. :o I felt the need to liven up my day somehow! :rotfl: I wouldn't recommend it with a less-than-perfect handbrake though (like mine) as it will allow the vehicle to creep. :D Don't worry, the handbrake has been fixed now.

[jeannieblue]

The last auto I drove was a pasat that didn't have a hand brake it had the button on the dash and it was called a parking brake and to release it the car had to be in park and have my foot on the brake. what a ball ache that was. I think the Merc I drove before that was similar but the parking brake was applied with the foot.
As I was used to doing something with my left hand while driving I used to make use of the DSG gear box and worked it like a manual when I got bored.

As for going on about being lazy not taking their foot off the brake when stopped jees they drive an automatic how much lazier can you get? how do you expect them to do anything when they are just needing to move forward.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I'll drive - or should I say 'stop' how I want.. I like to sit with my foot on the brake - especially if the likes of Goldspanners is behind me. :D

[jeannieblue]

Hmmm... that's a bit inconsiderate of you. :(

Personally I bung it Neutral and lob the handbrake on, it's less effort than having to keep my foot on the brake all the time (I'm lazy too).
Why?

What is the point in wearing out the gear lever thingy moving it up to N and then to D when there is really no point apart from saving some poor Scotmans eyesight?

Its my car and I will drive it how I like. There are more inconsiderate drivers on the road than me. Take Goldspanners for instance.

[goldspanners]

Why?

What is the point in wearing out the gear lever thingy moving it up to N and then to D when there is really no point apart from saving some poor Scotmans eyesight?

Its my car and I will drive it how I like. There are more inconsiderate drivers on the road than me. Take Goldspanners for instance.

Your looking for a fight arent you.

[jeannieblue]

Your looking for a fight arent you.
Not at all.

I am just fed up with the likes of you and others accusing auto drivers as being lazy. It takes far more skill to drive an automatic, plus it also frees up your left hand to do other things.

Its about time that you Goldie and others realised that we are not lazy - but superior! Get over it and if all you can whinge about is your poor eyes hurting, then you need to get a life.

[goldspanners]

Not at all.

I am just fed up with the likes of you and others accusing auto drivers as being lazy. It takes far more skill to drive an automatic, plus it also frees up your left hand to do other things.

Its about time that you Goldie and others realised that we are not lazy - but superior! Get over it and if all you can whinge about is your poor eyes hurting, then you need to get a life.

talk about provoking! :rotfl:

[MrsE]

talk about provoking! :rotfl:

She drives a Hummer, what do you expect:rotfl:

[jeannieblue]

I used to have a focus - auto. And I've just traded that in for an old Lexus LS400, it is a bit juicy but very comfy, and it is auto too.

Have a problem with that? They mainly drive auto's in the States but no one goes on about that.

[MrsE]

Have a problem with that? They mainly drive auto's in the States but no one goes on about that.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!:D

Edited to say, but they are fat lazy Yanks:D

[jeannieblue]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!:D

Edited to say, but they are fat lazy Yanks:D
Doubt it MrsE - Goldspangles is gutless ...

[goldspanners]

Have a problem with that? They mainly drive auto's in the States but no one goes on about that.

i'll be temporarily joining your lazy club in 5 weeks when i go to florida then,a juicy big dodge!

[goldspanners]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!:D



dont encourage her mrsE!

[Little John]

Not at all.

I am just fed up with the likes of you and others accusing auto drivers as being lazy. It takes far more skill to drive an automatic, plus it also frees up your left hand to do other things.


I'm not sure where the evidence is that shows you need more skill to drive an automatic? if that was the case they would allow those who pass their test in an auto to drive a proper car without the need to pass a test in a manual car. I enjoy driveing autos and manuals autos becasue you can just put your foot down and go and manual becasue you can drive the car how you want to drive it, If I want to drop down a gear I can and it is instant in an auto you have to put your foot down then wait for it to realise and drop the gear down.

[goldspanners]

Doubt it MrsE - Goldspangles is gutless ...

i wish i was.

[jeannieblue]

I'm not sure where the evidence is that shows you need more skill to drive an automatic? if that was the case they would allow those who pass their test in an auto to drive a proper car without the need to pass a test in a manual car. I enjoy driveing autos and manuals autos becasue you can just put your foot down and go and manual becasue you can drive the car how you want to drive it, If I want to drop down a gear I can and it is instant in an auto you have to put your foot down then wait for it to realise and drop the gear down.

Proper car????

Are you for real? Are you insinuating that my automatic is not a 'proper car' - it looks like a proper one to me, not a plastic replica. They are better and more superior to drive, you have more control. All this fiddling around changing gears is just a boys toys gimmick.

Manual Automatics? they are a joke. Manual gearbox, electronic clutch. useless, but necessary in our over pc, green madness to keep so called climate change under control by lessening emissions. yeah right.

[jeannieblue]

i wish i was.
You're trying to say you are 'spunky'? Can't see that in any of your posts. Scared to say what you really mean more like.

Besides, you just say things that you think MrsE wants to hear. ;)

[goldspanners]

You're trying to say you are 'spunky'? Can't see that in any of your posts. Scared to say what you really mean more like.

Besides, you just say things that you think MrsE wants to hear. ;)

ive heard mrsE is a bit of a looker. :o

[MrsE]

ive heard mrsE is a bit of a looker. :o

Thats just a rumor I put about;)

[MrsE]

You did mean looker didn't you, that wasn't a typo:rolleyes: :o :rotfl:

[goldspanners]

Thats just a rumor I put about;)


but you love the health and beauty board, surely they teach you something over there?:confused:

[goldspanners]

You did mean looker didn't you, that wasn't a typo:rolleyes: :o :rotfl:
what did you think i meant?

[MrsE]

but you love the health and beauty board, surely they teach you something over there?:confused:

Thats why Jeannie & I spend so much time there, we need lots of help;) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[goldspanners]

Thats why Jeannie & I spend so much time there, we need lots of help;) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

ahh,i see,so it was just a rumour then? ;)

[Pew Pew Pew Lasers!]

Driving at high speeds for very long periods (ie burning it at 100mph down the motorway, which we shouldn't be doing anyway :D ) and towing heavy loads can generate more heat in the transmission. The fluid is not sufficiently cooled and is less effective, stands to reason that this increases wear. In the same way, a stop-start journey in a traffic jam or something would have the same effect (especially in combination with repeated gear changes from D to N ;) ). If this is not true then it appears I have been badly misinformed by a friend who refurbishes autoboxes and owns 12 automatic cars. :eek: :confused: :confused:
.

Automatic gearboxes pump fluid to a separate radiator, or intercooler, to keep the fluid at the correct temperature. Provided this is the case, driving at high speed or sitting in traffic will do no damage whatsoever.

[jeannieblue]

Thats why Jeannie & I spend so much time there, we need lots of help;) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Speak for yourself..........

See what happens when I have an early night???

Goldspangles, why you hanging around the health and beauty thread? You're such a t*rt.

And that doesn't detract from the fact that some turd said my car is not a proper one cos its automatic!!!

Idiot or what.

Just wait til I get my Hummer - its on order MrsE! Along with the EB & Allantoin. All of which are auto's.

[Shoshannah]

I have been driving for six years and I have driven an automatic for three of those years. It's great in slow-moving traffic but other than that I don't see any advantage to it over a manual. This is my personal opinion. Some people prefer the automatic, I just prefer the manual. :confused:

Having said that, my other car is a manual, with no PAS, no ABS, none of the goodies that make driving easier. Nevertheless I find driving that car 10 times more exciting than driving my auto.

My automatic is pretty darn slow too, she's a tad heavier than the manual equivalent and the kickdown often leaves a lot to be desired. I virtually never overtake anything because it just doesn't seem to have the guts. My boyfriend has exactly the same car with exactly the same engine but his is a manual version and it runs rings around mine. :rotfl:

If the automatic box goes in mine, I will be replacing it with a manual box.

[goldspanners]

Goldspangles, why you hanging around the health and beauty thread? You're such a t*rt.


less of the spangles and t*rt please.
im a modern man,im allowed to look good too you know health and beauty isnt just for women.:p

[jeannieblue]

less of the spangles and t*rt please.
im a modern man,im allowed to look good too you know health and beauty isnt just for women.:p
I know - just seen your thread about waxing unwanted hair. You're right, it does hurt, but the smoothness that you are left with, is lovely, as long as you moisturise thoroughly.

[jeannieblue]

[quote=Shoshannah;13349089]I have been driving for six years and I have driven an automatic for three of those years. It's great in slow-moving traffic but other than that I don't see any advantage to it over a manual. This is my personal opinion. Some people prefer the automatic, I just prefer the manual. :confused:

Having said that, my other car is a manual, with no PAS, no ABS, none of the goodies that make driving easier. Nevertheless I find driving that car 10 times more exciting than driving my auto.

My automatic is pretty darn slow too, she's a tad heavier than the manual equivalent and the kickdown often leaves a lot to be desired. I virtually never overtake anything because it just doesn't seem to have the guts. My boyfriend has exactly the same car with exactly the same engine but his is a manual version and it runs rings around mine. :rotfl:

But that doesn't mean it isn't a 'proper' car if it is an auto - as previous poster said.

I don't know what you drive but mine kicks down lovely. Alot of cars - ie Toyota Supra, which i drive at weekends, is also an automatic and leaves a lot of cars standing, so you can't accuse an auto of being slow versus a manual!

I'm not a boy racer. I'm not a boy and can't be ar5ed to race - I'm an adult and have nothing to prove. I'm a woman and therefore do not need my car to be an extension of my pen1s, as I don't have one nor want one.

[goldspanners]

I know - just seen your thread about waxing unwanted hair. You're right, it does hurt, but the smoothness that you are left with, is lovely, as long as you moisturise thoroughly.

waxed up and moisturised with some used engine oil (to keep it vaguely on topic)
thanks for the advice :T

[goldspanners]

I'm a woman and therefore do not need my car to be an extension of my pen1s, as I don't have one nor want one.

ive got one,its great fun,dont't know why you wouldnt want one? ;)

[jeannieblue]

ive got one,its great fun,dont't know why you wouldnt want one? ;)
Having one would spoil the line of my designer jeans, I'd have to buy something like an MR2 or GTO to make it look bigger and I'd have to keep scratching & fiddling with it........

Most of those seem to come with having one.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[jeannieblue]

It is noted that MrsE and Goldspangles were both up late again last night ;)

[MrsE]

It is noted that MrsE and Goldspangles were both up late again last night ;)

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You're just jealous

[jeannieblue]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You're just jealous
I hate it when you're right.... :o

[goldspanners]

easy girls,no need for any fighting.:rotfl:

[vikingaero]

easy girls,no need for any fighting.:rotfl:

I can supply a venue and a mudbath. :D

[goldspanners]

I can supply a venue and a mudbath. :D

how much are the tickets? i'll have front row if its available.:rotfl:

[jeannieblue]

I hate getting dirty........ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[goldspanners]

I hate getting dirty........ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

yes we can see that.:D

[jeannieblue]

Just out of interest..

I'm doing a survey for Calvin Klein, what do you wear under your kilt?

[goldspanners]

Just out of interest..

I'm doing a survey for Calvin Klein, what do you wear under your kilt?

the last time i wore one it was the dead of winter,so i had to wear something,the next time will also be the dead of winter so again there will some sort of under garment employed.
if it was the summer it would be a different case.:D

[jeannieblue]

the last time i wore one it was the dead of winter,so i had to wear something,the next time will also be the dead of winter so again there will some sort of under garment employed.
if it was the summer it would be a different case.:D
You're such a girl.......... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[goldspanners]

You're such a girl.......... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

im just sensitive. :p

[jeannieblue]

im just sensitive. :p
Yeah right...... you're Scottish - you should be able to bare all to the elements! :D

Missing MrsE......... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[goldspanners]

Yeah right...... you're Scottish - you should be able to bare all to the elements! :D

Missing MrsE......... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

it all depends on how much ive had to drink.
the more alcohol the less clothing required.

[jeannieblue]

it all depends on how much ive had to drink.
the more alcohol the less clothing required.
I'm sending a crate of the strongest alcohol that I can find! :D

I went out today in my automatic plastic replica car - just to keep the theme going.

I find an auto at its best for Sunday driving... Stop start etc. As all the morons are out cluttering the roads going to garden centres and the local Harvester for badly cooked prepacked food meals... :eek:

[buses7675]

Hi All,

One way to look at how to drive an automatic is to watch what bus drivers do, as practically all of these are autos.

Most never take the gearbox out of drive and simply just use the handbrake when stopped. Some gearboxes, Volvo ones I think, do automatically go into neutral when the parking brake is applied then back into drive as soon as it is removed. I'm sure I read somewhere that some 'posh' cars do this also! lol

Cheers

Steve

[goldspanners]

I'm sending a crate of the strongest alcohol that I can find! :D

I went out today in my automatic plastic replica car - just to keep the theme going.

I find an auto at its best for Sunday driving... Stop start etc. As all the morons are out cluttering the roads going to garden centres and the local Harvester for badly cooked prepacked food meals... :eek:
im on call for the next 2 weeks so no drinking til then!
what scale is this automatic replica of yours, does it fit on the mantlepiece?

[jeannieblue]

im on call for the next 2 weeks so no drinking til then!
what scale is this automatic replica of yours, does it fit on the mantlepiece?
You could fit 4 to 5 normal sized people in it. And its a nice blue colour.

Still missing MrsE :o

[goldspanners]

You could fit 4 to 5 normal sized people in it. And its a nice blue colour.

Still missing MrsE :o

ah,i was thinking more corgi or matchbox.

[jeannieblue]

ah,i was thinking more corgi or matchbox.
Nope, my auto is the same size as a non auto. But nicer and better and drives better, no silly stick shift thing to get in the way of driving and putting on make up at the same time... :D

[economiser]

I wonder if those against automatics gearboxes are also against auto choke, auto advance and retard, synchromesh gear boxes, electric starters, windscreen demisters, heated rear windscreens, heaters, electric windscreen wipers, electric windows, anti lock brakes etc. etc?

[jeannieblue]

I wonder if those against automatics gearboxes are also against auto choke, auto advance and retard, synchromesh gear boxes, electric starters, windscreen demisters, heated rear windscreens, heaters, electric windscreen wipers, electric windows, anti lock brakes etc. etc?
Probably, they are all a tad sad to be honest. They seem to be of the opinion that you have to have a gear lever to make the car operate to its maximum. They obviously have a seriously limited driving experience of automatic cars.

Ok some may be slow - but that doesn't only apply to auto's - I've driven many stick shifts that I have felt the need to get the horse whip out to!!

[goldspanners]

I wonder if those against automatics gearboxes are also against auto choke, auto advance and retard, synchromesh gear boxes, electric starters, windscreen demisters, heated rear windscreens, heaters, electric windscreen wipers, electric windows, anti lock brakes etc. etc?

i very much doubt that anyone would be against most of the things in your little list.
why wonder about that? :confused:

[Shoshannah]

But that doesn't mean it isn't a 'proper' car if it is an auto - as previous poster said.

I don't know what you drive but mine kicks down lovely. Alot of cars - ie Toyota Supra, which i drive at weekends, is also an automatic and leaves a lot of cars standing, so you can't accuse an auto of being slow versus a manual!

I agree, neither a manual nor an automatic is more 'proper' than the other, that's just silly. ;)

However, a Toyota Supra is (allegedly) a fast car overall, regardless of the transmission it has. I made a comparison between two identical cars with identical engines, the only difference being that mine is auto and boyfriend's is manual. His is faster than mine. Here are the cars in question:

The manual:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Shoshannah/sfhfitp2007smaller.jpg

The auto:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Shoshannah/yakufitp2007smaller.jpg

But hey, cars develop. Diesels as old as these cars were pretty slow, noisy and smoky but modern diesels are (I am led to believe) quick, quiet and clean. I have no doubt that autoboxes have improved since too. :)

I like my automatic, very fond of her. But I prefer driving my manual. Other people prefer the auto. :) World would be boring if we all liked the same things. :)

[jeannieblue]

Erm...

No disrespect Shoshannah. But not only have auto's moved on but so too have the manuals.

You would be amazed at how fast some of the auto's go..........

Any auto drivers out there???? Back me up now!

[MrsE]

Erm...

No disrespect Shoshannah. But not only have auto's moved on but so too have the manuals.

You would be amazed at how fast some of the auto's go..........

Any auto drivers out there???? Back me up now!

Nah, autos are for people who can't drive very well:D

I got a manual:D

Don't beat me Jeannie:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[jeannieblue]

Nah, autos are for people who can't drive very well:D

I got a manual:D

Don't beat me Jeannie:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You drive a 4 X 4 so WTF do you know?

[MrsE]

You drive a 4 X 4 so WTF do you know?

You gotta be able to handle a car to drive a 4x4.

If you can drive a bumpercar at the fair you can drive an auto:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[MrsE]

What......

I post & thats it???

Everyone leaves thread:o

[goldspanners]

i thought jeannie was a woman,apparently women can multi task better than men?

so jeannie is either a man,or women can't multi task. :confused:

[jeannieblue]

Woz busy aint I.... ;)

The best 4 x 4's are auto you t*rt! Well the Land Cruiser I want is.....

[MrsE]

Woz busy aint I.... ;)

The best 4 x 4's are auto you t*rt! Well the Land Cruiser I want is.....

If I gave you some lessons though, we might get you a proper full license & you could drive any car:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[jeannieblue]

If I gave you some lessons though, we might get you a proper full license & you could drive any car:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh ha bl**dy ha.....

I am up in Arms (geddit?) now I really must go to bed now! Goldie is waiting for me ;) ;) ;)

MrsE - your advice may be needed on 'towing' thread.

PS - wooden spoon for Xmas? Up in Arms again no doubt :D

Night everyone.........

[goldspanners]

) now I really must go to bed now! Goldie is waiting for me ;) ;) ;)



only in your dreams!;)

[jeannieblue]

only in your dreams!;)
Are you coming to bed or what??? :mad:

[MrsE]

only in your dreams!;)


Goodnight Goldspangles:kisses3:

[goldspanners]

Are you coming to bed or what??? :mad:

be up in 5.:o

[goldspanners]

Goodnight Goldspangles:kisses3:

goodnight :o

[MrsE]

be up in 5.:o

Blimey, you'll hardly get her warmed up in 5:o :D :rotfl:

Don't think she'll be ready for the "up":rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :o

[goldspanners]

Blimey, you'll hardly get her warmed up in 5:o :D :rotfl:

Don't think she'll be ready for the "up":rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :o

she is demanding i know. it will be over long before the 5 minutes is done,trust me! :o

[jeannieblue]

she is demanding i know. it will be over long before the 5 minutes is done,trust me! :o
How true is that.........

Three and a half minutes MrsE - and he rolls over and goes to sleep!!

I'm left wide awake with the latest Jeremy Clarkson book :o and er, disappointed.....

[Shoshannah]

Erm...

No disrespect Shoshannah. But not only have auto's moved on but so too have the manuals.

You would be amazed at how fast some of the auto's go..........

Any auto drivers out there???? Back me up now!

No offence taken. I do actually have experience of more modern cars, no matter how strange that may seem. You may be amazed at how fast some of these older cars go. ;) I have spent the last few posts telling you how my auto is slower than the manual equivalent, but nevertheless she's still quicker than some of the modern stuff on the roads.

I have a friend who owns an 1982 car with an early 90's automatic gearbox in it, that thing goes 150mph+. :rotfl: He needs the auto because he has a spinal disease and finds it too painful to use a clutch.

Nothing wrong with automatics, I'm not dissing them. :) Mine's OK. I just prefer my manual, this is my personal opinion and will inevitably differ from other people's. :)

[jeannieblue]

Shoshannah..

I would like to say that I know exactly what you mean ( I do, I have probably owned and driven them but I don't want Goldie to know that I am over 25:D - its dark when we get into bed at night and he is none the wiser ;) )

I kinda like to be controversial - but in saying that, I am quite protective over the auto's, they get a bad time from idiots that need stick shift to help their 'members' get bigger. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[goldspanners]

( I do, I have probably owned and driven them but I don't want Goldie to know that I am over 25:D - its dark when we get into bed at night and he is none the wiser ;) )



i am now, you told me you were only 21 :eek:

the lights will be staying on tonight.:D

[jeannieblue]

i am now, you told me you were only 21 :eek:

the lights will be staying on tonight.:D
Fine by me - I like a laugh :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: also makes it easier for me to read my book - its not easy juggling a torch during er......... :eek: :D :D :D

[jeannieblue]

Sorry Goldie - folks, its not true, honest...

He is wonderful....... so attentive........ and he lets me drive - the only time I use a gear lever these days ;)

[goldspanners]

Sorry Goldie - folks, its not true, honest...

He is wonderful....... so attentive........ and he lets me drive - the only time I use a gear lever these days ;)

thanks for clearing that up,you only drive when ive been drinking and im not able to take control.;)

[jeannieblue]

thanks for clearing that up,you only drive when ive been drinking and im not able to take control.;)
I love it when you are comatose...... :D You remember nothing the next day... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You just walk differently :D

[sarah_smurf]

All this into Neutral and using the handbrake malarky is something drivers of manuals do to keep their hands busy. Automatic drivers just use the brake. :)

Hi, I passed my driving test in automatic June this year & was learnt & told by my instructer that if waiting at lights that have just turned to red or longer than a short space of time, then I have to put the handbrake on and put into neutral as I'd get marks on my test for keeping it in drive & foot on the brake for some reason.

I don't know if he told me that because it wears the brakes, or because the engine's still trying to pull the car guzzelling more petrol or because of the engine doing something (can't remember the word on what it does when I sit for ages on the brake in drive but it feels like it stops pulling slightly like its gone sleep & not as noisy).

Me though I keep my foot on the brake if I know I won't be there long, otherwise handbrake goes on and slap it into neutral.

[sparrer]

Have just read through all the posts and learned something even I didn't know :rolleyes: - it never occured to me that putting in P at lights etc has to go through R and would give the guy person behind me the heebiejeebies! Mind you there are times when some of the guys persons behind me need a wake-up call..what's the deal with trying to get through the lights before I've put my car into D :mad: ? You'll only get my brake lights, or sometimes my fog light, or if I'm feeling particularly unfeminine a gesture if you do that :cool:...

In true MSE style I drive a very basic Accent 1.3i with electric nothing, no gadgetry, even got wind-down windows and no c/locking to go wrong. It has to last me another 4 years (bought new in 2001, now saving for the next/final one), so I'll try to remember to park in N in future and just hope I haven't screwed my gear box :eek:

Thanks for the amusing (and sometimes even informative :rotfl: ) thread

[jeannieblue]

Hi, I passed my driving test in automatic June this year & was learnt & told by my instructer that if waiting at lights that have just turned to red or longer than a short space of time, then I have to put the handbrake on and put into neutral as I'd get marks on my test for keeping it in drive & foot on the brake for some reason.

I don't know if he told me that because it wears the brakes, or because the engine's still trying to pull the car guzzelling more petrol or because of the engine doing something (can't remember the word on what it does when I sit for ages on the brake in drive but it feels like it stops pulling slightly like its gone sleep & not as noisy).

Me though I keep my foot on the brake if I know I won't be there long, otherwise handbrake goes on and slap it into neutral.

You have been taught correctly. :D

Its the rest of us that are lazy slack ar5es. :eek:

[danny69]

Made me laugh when I read that automatics are more complicated than manuals to drive! What a joke! Manual cars dont take any effort to drive hardly. Because of that, automatic drivers are extremely lazy! Manuals have a lot more control than autos. It makes me cringe when I see a bus going up a hill and the gears change. I prefer to select a lower gear at the bottom of the hill, instead ofchanging down halfway up a hill! As for stopping at traffic lights, manuals should be put in neutral and handbrake applied (takes strain off clutch cable and brakes). In autos, I dont really care what the right or wrong way is, but surely parking at lights with BRAKE lights on is not the correct procedure! I would like to ask the auto drivers what they do at a 'stop' junction, do they apply handbrake or foot brake?

[goldspanners]

do they apply handbrake or foot brake?

what if there is no handbrake? what if the parking brake is applied by the foot. 2 brake pedals, ohh the confusion!

[jeannieblue]

Made me laugh when I read that automatics are more complicated than manuals to drive! What a joke! Manual cars dont take any effort to drive hardly. Because of that, automatic drivers are extremely lazy! Manuals have a lot more control than autos. It makes me cringe when I see a bus going up a hill and the gears change. I prefer to select a lower gear at the bottom of the hill, instead ofchanging down halfway up a hill! As for stopping at traffic lights, manuals should be put in neutral and handbrake applied (takes strain off clutch cable and brakes). In autos, I dont really care what the right or wrong way is, but surely parking at lights with BRAKE lights on is not the correct procedure! I would like to ask the auto drivers what they do at a 'stop' junction, do they apply handbrake or foot brake?
Auto's have gears too so that you can select a lower gear for steep hills if need be.
Re junctions (and lights), I personally put foot on the brake and keep it there til I need to move forward. I don't park at lights. I park in car parks or up my drive.....

[jeannieblue]

what if there is no handbrake? what if the parking brake is applied by the foot. 2 brake pedals, ohh the confusion!
So..........

You're home from the pub then.... :mad:

I'm upstairs :D

[goldspanners]

So..........

You're home from the pub then.... :mad:

I'm upstairs :D

no,i was at my other womans house,i was hoping you would be sleeping by now. caught again.:o

[jackieb]

Has anyone heard of spacers in an automatic gearbox? We were told a while ago that we would need new ones sometime. The car drives fine, but is a bit slower pulling away at junctions, than it used to - and a teensy bit 'jumpy' when pulling away or beginning to reverse - just need to press a bit harder on the accelerator and it's okay.

Sorry, if i'm not explaining it very well..!

[jeannieblue]

no,i was at my other womans house,i was hoping you would be sleeping by now. caught again.:o
You'll suffer for that.........

I'll get the whip out.. :D :D :D



You could 'thank' me now and again - you've got more than me :o



After all I do for you........;) Big boy

[jeannieblue]

Has anyone heard of spacers in an automatic gearbox? We were told a while ago that we would need new ones sometime. The car drives fine, but is a bit slower pulling away at junctions, than it used to - and a teensy bit 'jumpy' when pulling away or beginning to reverse - just need to press a bit harder on the accelerator and it's okay.

Sorry, if i'm not explaining it very well..!

What car is it?

[goldspanners]

You'll suffer for that.........

I'll get the whip out.. :D :D :D



You could 'thank' me now and again - you've got more than me :o



After all I do for you........;) Big boy

your so competitive,i didnt realise we were competing?

no not the whip again, my ar5e is still red from last night.

[jackieb]

A 2002 Audi A4.

[jeannieblue]

A 2002 Audi A4.
Com'on guys......

It sounds costly to me - transmission expert still up??

[jeannieblue]

your so competitive,i didnt realise we were competing?

no not the whip again, my ar5e is still red from last night.
I'm always thanking you! ;)

I'll try not to be so rough tonight..

[jackieb]

Com'on guys......

It sounds costly to me - transmission expert still up??

Ooh no! Spacers, sound like such a small thing too. :o

[goldspanners]

most transmission jobs will be expensive as it will be fairly labour intensive and probably need to be removed from the car to do the job properly.

not sure about spacers,havent worked on a auto box for ages,nevermind a new auto like this,but when i did regularly it was clutch packs that needed replacing,dont know about spacers,the clutch pack had a ferodo lining and would wear out,but took lots of abuse and high temperatures with loads of miles before needing replaced.

[jackieb]

The car has 90k on the clock. It's really fine otherwise - apart from being slightly sluggish when pulling away. It gets serviced regularly too (at the VW dealers though - not quite as expensive as Audi!)

[jeannieblue]

The car has 90k on the clock. It's really fine otherwise - apart from being slightly sluggish when pulling away. It gets serviced regularly too (at the VW dealers though - not quite as expensive as Audi!)

I know of good transmission guys near me....

Vague location?? No street names or towns!!

[goldspanners]

The car has 90k on the clock. It's really fine otherwise - apart from being slightly sluggish when pulling away. It gets serviced regularly too (at the VW dealers though - not quite as expensive as Audi!)

i wouldnt worry about it to be honest,probably more hassle and expense than its worth.

[jackieb]

I know of good transmission guys near me....

Vague location?? No street names or towns!!


Scotland. :)

We'll probably leave it until the next service. I can live with it (dh doesn't drive it much), as long as I won't be doing some unrepairable damage to the car.

[jeannieblue]

Scotland. :)

We'll probably leave it until the next service. I can live with it (dh doesn't drive it much), as long as I won't be doing some unrepairable damage to the car.
Goldies neck of the woods :D

Lousy mechanics up there........ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[goldspanners]

Scotland. :)

We'll probably leave it until the next service. I can live with it (dh doesn't drive it much), as long as I won't be doing some unrepairable damage to the car.

makie transmissions on causeyside street in glasgow,right at the end of the M74 (glasgow end)
reputable transmission specialists.

[goldspanners]

Goldies neck of the woods :D

Lousy mechanics up there........ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

its so true!

[jackieb]

makie transmissions on causeyside street in glasgow,right at the end of the M74 (glasgow end)
reputable transmission specialists.

Only a 3 hours drive then. :D

[jeannieblue]

its so true!
I'll get you serviced down here then ;)

Talking of which....

I've put the whip away and I'm going to sleep now. You can sleep on the sofa, comatose as per usual - cuddling one of your Barbie dolls :D

[goldspanners]

Only a 3 hours drive then. :D

ahh well,i wouldnt worry to much about it.

[goldspanners]

I'll get you serviced down here then ;)

Talking of which....

I've put the whip away and I'm going to sleep now. You can sleep on the sofa, comatose as per usual - cuddling one of your Barbie dolls :D

no,im not on the couch again.:mad:

[jeannieblue]

no,im not on the couch again.:mad:
I've just apologised on your behalf to Anewman :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Sleep well..

Night folks